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Maverick says:
(Wed Oct 1 22:03:08 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper: That's called the Kiss of Death (when you REALLY like something and tell others, causing it to crash and burn.) The only reason I have survived to my advanced age is because of the Kiss of Death. I liked Peanut Butter Cookie Frozen Yogurt so much that I probably would have eaten myself to death, but then, because of my expressed love for it, it simply disappeared out of the frozen food case, saving my life.


Okay, the chief Ebola Doctor (Dr. Tom Frieden) sounds way too P.C. to be reassuring. He will kill us all with Ebola before he will risk doing anything that would cause him to be in any remote danger of being called a racist.


Maverick


OMWF - Under Your Spell




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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 1 20:47:43 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: The melody for the song 'Good Morning to All' was the basis for another song. What was it?
Answer: Happy Birthday To You

Trivia Songsmiths: OldManFan, valMIchael, notsoShyGirl
Trivia Song parodies: Maverick and Agent Cooper

Maverick - I didn't realize that the way I did the trivia question, that it would look like today was my birthday!



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 1 18:50:18 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
By the way everybody, I've watched the first episode of Gotham, and I really like it. I've decided to try and stick with it. This is the first show in a long time I've liked enough to actively follow.

If it is now canned by November, it will be my fault for liking it so much. Because all new shows I like inevitably get the axe.

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Carry on.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 1 18:42:22 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: I think, (and quite possibly this is because I'm missing something in your angle here) that you're being too quick to blame the viewer for the sins of the writer. Bad story is bad story, it doesn't matter why. But it's especially bad when it's because of some petty issue behind the scenes.

I don't think that's asking too much.

Of course, it goes without saying that some suspension of disbelief is a fundamental requirement of any consumer of fiction. Sensible viewers (or readers) will know that going in. I've read movie and TV reviews from so called professional critics who take their own reviews WAY too seriously - and their opinions to me are laughable because they seem to have forgotten that requirement since film school. I swear, for some of these folks everything on film has to be on par with Citizen Kane or its pants. And that's just the wrong way to watch fiction, IMHO.

In a fictional story, like BTVS, you have go in with the sense that this is a STORY and you have to have some fun with it. You have to be a bit forgiving on a few counts. Including realizing that it's TV. And TV is a business. Actors have contracts, producers have favorites in the writers room, etc. Maybe the show doesn't have a million dollar budget for SFX, whatever.

We as viewers know all this going in. Or should.

And if the story is good enough, if it captures our imagination, if it draws us in and keeps us within it, if we can really identify with the characters and connect with them, and if the writer stays true to it, then none of that stuff will matter.

When those background issues DO become noticeable, I think we as viewers have a right to question that. I think we've already given the creators enough slack going in, as I've outlined above.

Think of it like a contract. We, the viewers have given you, the writers, X amount of slack to entertain us--It's a pretty large amount and it should be more than enough to work with. Now let's see what you can do. I can overlook a couple of minor continuity errors or a cheap monster costume. But don't kill off some beloved character senselessly in the middle of a brilliant story arc that they were a key part of just because the actor cheated on your niece in RL, which everyone knows because they read it on Page 6.

C'mon man!



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Maverick says:
(Wed Oct 1 18:36:50 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 1 18:38:03 2014
Trivia Girl: Oh, is it your Birthday? Best Wishes. (Yes, I' m being silly.) My answer: "Picnic Time for Teddy Bears."


Enterovirus 68 is now causing paralysis in some children and finally a child has died. It is now being referred to as the "Open Border Flu." Note, that if you read any report of E68 in the Mainstream Media, you will not see any mention of Obama, the open southern border, the fact that it seems to be mostly children that are affected, all those children who have illegally come across the border and were surreptitiously dispersed by Obama throughout the U.S. (but where they were sent is being hidden by the Obama Administration.) This is just an Obama Administration's political ploy that was predictably stupid but done anyway. Stay tuned for more disease breakouts and health emergencies.


Once again we see a strange bizarre lapse in effectiveness of some department of the Federal Government. (Remember Sebelius and the Obamacare website. Look at the open southern border. No one watching ISIS. No one doing anything about the threat of an EMP attack, although a misplaced emphasis on mythical Global Warming.) This time, well, again (as we've had previous problems with them,) it's the Secret Service, responsible for protecting the president. We can't be certain this is the case now, but so many times we see that those in charge were placed in charge because their primary qualification for the position was their demographic--black, woman, Hispanic, homosexual, Muslim, transgender. We've stopped respecting and rewarding superior effort or intelligence or ability, as though somehow that ability was unfairly (at the expense of others) attained or the wrong-headed theory that ANYONE can do ANYTHING, so why not try to make affirmative action appointments to those power positions. The eventual result of this will be a "why try?" attitude in people, if superior performance is not valued. The current result is below-par performance in the responsible position.


I'm beginning to think my KittyCat cannot tolerate cat food with cheese in it. She enthusiastically goes for it (and it's difficult finding anything she really likes) but then she later, to my horror, hacks up food.


Something to look forward to: I read that Viagra will go generic in 3 years.


Maverick


96 Tears




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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Oct 1 17:41:30 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Pretty Vacant, by the Sex Pistols



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 1 16:45:19 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
notsoShyGirl A good week for you. *g*



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valMichael says:
(Wed Oct 1 15:15:39 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Bri, green falcon, Kevin UK, Lemmy, Muffy the Vampire Annoyer, ninja, OzFan, Scurb and Bubbles!

YAY notsoShyGirl!

Trivia Girl
Happy Birthday.



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Oct 1 15:14:01 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Happy Birthday To You.

notsoShyGirl - didn't you get the memo? It's notsoShyGirl week.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Oct 1 15:01:19 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Happy Birthday To You



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Oct 1 14:34:22 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Music
Question: The melody for the song 'Good Morning to All' was the basis for another song. What was it?



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Oct 1 14:28:02 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 1 15:03:15 2014
Wow! My birthday yesterday and Yay of the Day today?

Many thanks for the birthday wishes to TheBirthdayGnomette, Christopher Marlowe,
valMichael, OldManFan
and Maverick!



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KAM says:
(Wed Oct 1 13:14:14 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning,

YAY NOTSOSHYGIRL

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Oct 1 13:08:35 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Wednesday, October 1st 2014 C.E.

We have EIGHT (8) Birthdays!



Bri
green falcon
Kevin UK
Lemmy
Muffy the Vampire Annoyer
ninja
OzFan
Scurb and Bubbles


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Bri, green falcon, Kevin UK, Lemmy, Muffy the Vampire Annoyer, ninja, OzFan, Scurb and Bubbles!



Hmm. It's sounds like the finest party I can imagine getting paid to go to.Mal, 'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 1 13:01:18 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Yay notsoshygirl!

deadguy qod

I would like to dedicate Don't Stop Believin' to everyone!


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Oct 1 11:59:39 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for notsoshygirl!

yay notsoshygirl!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

ksun - radio sunnydale

were taking song dedications... what song are you dedicating to which scooby or team angel member?


Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!



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Comma says:
(Wed Oct 1 10:39:30 2014 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
Oh! Car shopping on the menu. My wife ordered her new car on September 20th. Yes, I said 'ordered' her new car. She is tracking, by computer, it's process on the assembly line. So far, the body is in the paint shop, and the frame will be placed on the line sometime next week. It is a red, with black highlights, Mini Cooper Countryman. Yes, at 6' 5" I can easily fit into it.

Comma



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 1 02:29:29 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 1 02:49:33 2014
Agent Cooper,

I believe your phrase, "... so the narrative has much less impact or makes less sense..." has less to do from external demands from 'suits' than it does from internal expectations of viewers. We know readers and viewers have expectations about how different genres work. Stray too far from the recipe and people fuss.

It's also true that people come to stories with ideas about how the world works. They will cut some slack for the sake of setting or genre or an interesting idea, but their fundamental beliefs and feelings rule.1

Many people believe achieving something of worth requires paying a high cost. Sacrifices have to be made. The interactions of the universe as a series of scales. It's this feeling that lead many to criticize Joss for not killing any of the core characters.

Joss may have contemplated killing Xander. The suits and writers may have staid his hand, but they could not stay a sacrifice. They probably also believed a sacrifice was necessary to balance the verse. So Anya died.

I believe this need for blood sacrifice was behind AtS' Not Fade Away. Joss didn't like be criticized for being a writer of Pollyana endings, so he bowed to the crowd. Kill 'em all. Let's be straight, Angel's decision was stupid. Utterly, frigging foolish. The strategic vision of a gnat. :)

But their actions moved fans. The stuff of legend. (At this point I should quote General Patton *g*).

(ETA

No ******* ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb ******* die for his country. - George Patton )


Anyway, more later.


1 In Complexification, author Casti looks at five or six 'principles' of how the world works that many of us believe true - and then shows them wrong.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 1 02:14:49 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard It was a tiring day.
I Drove about 5 more cars and the
with the relentless salesman and
finance officer, I wound up staying
after hours get a 2012 Toyota
Corolla.



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 1 01:59:51 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Such a quiet night, tonight. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 1 01:43:13 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
finally home, gah!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 1 00:50:20 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

To see if I understand what you're meaning with 'meta-gaming', I'm going to restate it.

Writers are meta-gaming a story when they plot it based on the needs or demands of future stories. An example: It has been said that the creator of Dexter wanted him to die in the series finale, but TPTB vetoed the idea, because they wanted to keep the franchise open.

Is that correct?



WG



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 1 00:22:21 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Still here. Just pondering. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Oct 1 00:18:24 2014 70.198.35.46) [Edit/Delete]
At dealership might be a bit longer!



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Oct 1 00:05:44 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Oct 1 00:28:26 2014
Agent Cooper,

Read. Relying to three or four points of yours ...

1. Deus Ex Machina

2. Business influences

3. "... so the narrative has much less impact or makes less sense..."

4. Meta-Gaming

I may combine three or four, depending on how the pondering goes.


In this post, "Deus Ex Machina".

I do not think it applies to what happened or could have happen to Xander. In the story, Dirty Girls, Caleb had destroyed one of Xander's eyes and was going for the other when Spike body blocked Caleb. Since Spike had long been part and parcel of the Scoobies, his being there in the fight was not contrived.

As to Xander's being blinded, that was foreshadowed at least twice. The first at the end of Potential in Xander's words to Dawn. The second in both his speech and his advice to the potentials prior to the raid. I'll pull up the lines later.

(ETA


From Dirty Girls

XANDER
Could happen. Something other-worldly. And here's a handy rule: don't go for the flashy tentacles just because they're waving 'em about trying to get attention. Go for the center (points to each) brains, heart, eyes. Everything's got eyes.

(Dawn: Except the Bringers. Xander: Except the Bringers)

XANDER
(To Potentials, speaking of Buffy)
...I've seen her heart...



From Potential

XANDER
They'll never know how tough it is, Dawnie, to be the one who isn't chosen. To live so near to the spotlight and never step in it. But I know. I see more than anybody realizes because nobody's watching me. I saw you last night. I see you working here today. You're not special. You're extraordinary. (stands, kisses her forehead, stands to walk out of the room)

DAWN
(tears welling in her eyes, calls after him) Maybe that's your power.

XANDER
(pauses at the door) What?

DAWN
Seeing. Knowing.



One could also point to Xander wearing the patch as part of his pirate costume in All the Way (though more likely the writers thought back to it when plotting the back end of 7th season).


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 30 23:37:26 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Back and reading.

WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 30 20:41:11 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: How does Andrew describe Willow in 'Two To Go'?
Answer: Dark Phoenix (however other answers are acceptable)

Trivia Masters: OldManFan, notsoShygirl
Trivia Comedians: Maverick, valMichael



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Maverick says:
(Tue Sep 30 19:05:48 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: A ginger-haired Jewish-American Princess Wiccan Bitca Cutie Pie


Birthday Happies to notsoShyGirl


Birthday Happies to Blueronin


Blueronin is Maverick Fanfic Recommender # 23, in good standing


70% of Americans believe we are still in a Recession


Obama only reads 40% of his National Security Briefings


Maverick


West End Girls




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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Sep 30 18:44:41 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan
I wouldn't blame you! I copy and paste the trivia answers into Word so that I can
(in theory) format and edit before I post. I don't know how I missed copying the
entire post...I blame my age work.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 30 18:32:42 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Agent Cooper,

Excellent. I will read, ponder, and reply later tonight.:)


WG



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KAM says:
(Tue Sep 30 17:56:25 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good day everyone,

YAY HELYGEN

Deadguy QOD
: Good question...but I've got no time to answer I'm afraid.

KAM
Ty King Fan



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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Sep 30 17:44:52 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: OK, I'll try now to cobble together some thoughts on the artificial story telling thing. Here goes:

When we talk about artificial storytelling, I think we have the sledgehammer example that everyone recognizes: The ol' Deus Ex Machina trick.

But there's a more subtle (maybe?) version that I think is more common in TV and Movies. I think this is what Kam and Lostinamerica were thinking of.

The example I noted in Buffy was the episode when Caleb has his first fight with the Scoobies. I had read(and I will try and find a link for this) that Joss wanted to have Caleb kill one of the main characters in this fight, to really underline and illustrate to the viewers just how dangerous and deadly he and First were. These were the REAL big bads, no joking anymore. He decided Xander would lose his life. But he got pushback from either the writers or producers, who told him "you can't do that." Because you can't kill of a major star of your series with a big fan base, especially I imagine not one of the few male stars of a female dominated series, who is also, they may have reminded him, under contract.

So Xander was spared and blinded instead. Not for pure story reasons but due to the constraints of running a TV network.

Even if my info about what happened is totally wrong, it rings true enough to me that something similar probably happens alot in TV. And even if it's not as direct as that, I bet there's a subtle effect that makes artificial storytelling happen on sets all the time. Maybe a writer has a really brilliant and bold idea for a storyline, but it involves killing off the producers niece who plays a minor character, so he shelves it. Or he does present it, but out of fear for his job shifts the death to another character and makes his Boss's niece into some kind of major hero out of the blue, so the narrative has much less impact or makes less sense. RL contingencies intrude.

I participate in a certain famous table top role playing game now and then. In the game, folks take on the role of characters in a fantasy world. Ideally, players are supposed to suspend their knowledge of game mechanics to a certain extent. IE, you're not really supposed to play your character as if that character knows they are in a game.

Obviously this isn't always the case nor is it really completely possible to do. But there's a threshold among folks who play that if crossed is considered at best rude and at worst basically cheating.

Playing your character as if he would be aware of the game mechanics is called "meta-gaming." When I think of the examples above, that's kind of what I think of. The story tellers are "meta-gaming" the movie or series or whatever.

That probably wasn't very well articulated but I hope you get where I was going with it.



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Sep 30 16:42:28 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
notsoShyGirl - if it weren't your birthday, I'd cry "foul". *g

Happiest of Birthdays

OMF



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 30 16:39:53 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
notsoShyGirl I hope you get a great cake today! *g*



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valMichael says:
(Tue Sep 30 15:21:49 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Asanti, blueronin, BuffyRileySlayTA, Memnoch, and notsoShyGirl!

YAY helygen!

Trivia Girl
Evil Truck driving momma.

deadguy QOD I love ChristopherMarlowe's idea.
I think the costumes they wore in "Fear Itself" would be perfect. :)



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OldManFan says:
(Tue Sep 30 15:15:04 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Dark Phoenix, wicca bitca, a truck driving Magic Mama, Darth Rosenberg.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Tue Sep 30 14:56:47 2014 50.243.137.201) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Sep 30 15:35:40 2014
Trivia Girl
Dark Phoenix
Wicca bit ch
Truck driving Magic Mama
Darth Rosenberg



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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Sep 30 14:43:14 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Buffy
Question: How does Andrew describe Willow in 'Two To Go'?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 30 13:22:12 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Happy Birthday to notsoShyGirl!!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Sep 30 13:11:32 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Tuesday, September 30th 2014 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!



Asanti
blueronin
BuffyRileySlayTA
Memnoch
ShyGirl aka notsoShyGirl


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Asanti, blueronin, BuffyRileySlayTA, Memnoch, notsoShyGirl!



Wild monkey love or tender Sarah McLachlan love? Xander, 'Wild at Heart'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 30 13:00:05 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Yay helygen!

deadguy qod

I would like to see them all in the Wizard of Oz costumes. Buffy is Dorothy, Xander is the cowardly Lion, Willow is the Tin Man and and Giles the Scarecrow.


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Sep 30 12:01:04 2014 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
It was a combination of technical difficulties and a funeral that kept me from posting...

let's hear a great big bronze cheer for helygen

yay helygen!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

sunnycon, may 2003 - a once in a lifetime experience

the scoobies (back in the day) attend a sci-fi/horror/fantasy convention to find a vampire pack. what costume does each bring?


Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 30 02:47:20 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Fair point. Just
because you agree on something is no
guarantee you will be able to
compromise on everything.



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wolfguard says:
(Tue Sep 30 00:55:13 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Sep 30 00:56:43 2014
Agent Cooper,

Read the excerpt on television and viewer niches. I'd not be quick to say more women watch Game of Thrones than do men. I know several women who will not watch GoT because of the violence and explicit sex. I've watched three seasons, because of an interest in three characters, two of them women.

I do believe more women read novels than do men; however, there are a number of series that cater to men, though they may be older men. More later.


Christopher Marlowe,

I believe there have been instances where creating or exploiting common areas of interest have brought opponents together; however, it doesn't necessarily change the reasons creating polarization.

The USSR and Nazi Germany were implacable foes, but when convenient they signed a non-aggression pact (which Germany discarded when it invaded the USSR in 1941). Churchill was a foe of Stalin and the USSR, but following Germany's invasion of Russia, Churchill made an alliance with Stalin.1

Both the US and Iran see ISIS as a threat. Some folks see this as an opportunity to bring the two countries together on the principle 'an enemy of an enemy is a friend'. One analysts said of this, with regard to Iran, ~ An enemy of an enemy is still an enemy.


1 And all during the war, Stalin feared the West would sign a separate peace treaty with Germany.


WG



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Maverick says:
(Tue Sep 30 00:54:00 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Obama: "We've had the longest run of uninterrupted private sector job growth in our history. We have seen deficits cut by more than half," Obama said, adding the question "Ronald Reagan used to ask the question 'Are you better off than you were four years ago?' In this case, are you better off than you were six and the answer is the country is definitely better off than we were when I came into office." [Mav says "horse manure."]

"Do you think people feel it?" Steve Kroft asked.

Obama: "They don't feel it and the reason they don't feel it is [Mav says "because it doesn't exist"] because incomes and wages are not going up [that's what Mav said, "it doesn't exist."] There's solutions to that. If we raise the minimum wage [Mav says "that again? No, we need real jobs like the Keystone XL Pipeline,"] if we make sure women are getting paid the same as men for doing the same work [Mav says "they DO. This is a myth and is the Democratic campaign allegation and they will try to get traction on it before the November election,"] if we are rebuilding our infrastructure [Mav says "what happened to the 'shovel ready jobs' and the Stimulus? He wants us to fall for THAT again?"] the , if we're doing more to invest in job training [Mav says "Job training bills were passed in the House that Harry Reid refused to bring to a vote in the Senate"] so people are able to get the jobs that are out there right now." [Mav says "I thought that's why he's allowing all those Mexicans to cross our southern border. They will cause all kinds of illness and the hospitals will be full of patients {us.}]


The individual taxpayer's answer to Reagan's question is "no" but Obama says you're better off but you're just not feeling it because people will not pay you a gillion dollars an hour? If people are not feeling it, then we are worse off. People feel that they're worse off. Those jobs he said were created!! Many of those were part-time jobs created FROM full-time jobs. And, crying minimum wage again? Here's the story of raising minimum wages--not enough people earn the minimum wage and those are people who deserve the minimum wage(students and fast-food workers.) Every time they raise the minimum wage, they screw young minority people out of a chance to finally get a job (see John Stossel and Walter Williams discuss this. And the myth of the Gender Pay Gap. See Stossel explain this. Also, look at prices since Obama took office. They have almost doubled.


"Veronica Mars" takes place in Neptune, CA


Agent Cooper: I think girls have recently found out that Geeks are clever and Geekdom can be fun. And, their stealth incentive is that women DO want intelligent babies. I think the women have changed more than that TV has changed to appeal to them.


Maverick


Got To Be There




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Sep 30 00:25:25 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I was thinking (as I
do sometimes) about polarization.
Would reaching consensus about
something one way to deal with
polarization?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 29 23:41:10 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 29 23:20:43 2014 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Waiting with anticipation. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 29 22:12:49 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Off to see a man about a car...



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 29 20:46:45 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Happy birthday HelgafromPittsburg, Lurking Little Feet, Matsu Terwilliger, MissFaith, Queenie, Spike Fan, & Witchy Tara!



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Maverick says:
(Mon Sep 29 20:32:45 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Sep 29 20:45:44 2014
Trivia Girl: Pugsley.


Definition: "Rent-seeking" An economics term for the attempt to obtain an economic benefit to oneself by using legal or governmental systems to extract (extort) a payment from others. An example of rent-seeking is to pay a lobbyist to get a law passed somehow giving you a share of money already collected. Another example: if you had some land and others passed through it, to put up a chain and a collector at the chain, and begin collecting a fee for something that had previously been free.


I watched SNL last weekend because Chris Pratt was hosting. One of the early sketches was bizarre and involved a lot of patting of the crotch in a kind of simulated masturbation, and I said to myself, how much coarser can we get? Bill Clinton and that whole Lewinsky thing seems to have put us on a slippery slope to perdition.


DaddyCatALSO: Well, I think you can forget your old car that's been sitting outside for 12 years. If it could even start again it would rival the miracle of the loaves and the fishes. Possibly it could be brought back to life with the expenditure of significant amounts of additional money. When people put their cars "up on blocks," they usually bring the car inside to a warm temperature and they change the engine oil to a heavy grade and lube the moving parts. Then, once a year, they change the oil back again and start it up and try and run it. In Detroit, we have what's called a "Dream Cruise" once a year, so a lot of people store old cars and it's a thriving business. Without a lot of yearly care, the car will rust and the moving parts will freeze up. In my younger days, if I were in your position, I might have taken the spare key and tried to sneak through the lot at night (if no junkyard dog) to get into the car and retrieve my stuff. If they were smart, they emptied your car long ago, and your stuff is not in the car. At this point I would have to believe that something in the car was really crucial to my existence to try something like that. Let Sleeping Dogs Lie, as they say. BTW, publication of the book "1984" probably delayed the onslaught, but we're still only 30 years out. We already have PC language (newspeak) and eternal surveillance (Big Brother) and the ability to revise Wikipedia (what Winston Smith did for a living.)


Belated Happy Birthday to Paksenarrion


Paks is a Maverick Fanfic Recommender in good standing


Maverick


Monday, Monday




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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Sep 29 19:45:20 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Until then, here's something pithy about entertainment in general and TV in particular, for all you TV Head Bronzers to disucuss. Copied and pasted directly from the Ace of Spades HQ blog:

****Just looking at the new TV shows -- Madame Secretary, How to Get Away With Murder, Forever, etc. -- it seems almost of all of them are pitched chiefly to appeal to women.

Something similar happened in the movies. 16-to-25 year old males bought most movie tickets. So studios started making more and more movies targeting 16-to-25 year old males. This led to people outside of this demographic buying even fewer tickets -- which meant that an even greater fraction of tickets were bought by males 16 to 25, making it more important to make movies for males 16 to 25, and so on.

Well, from what I'm seeing on TV, it appears that women watch more TV than men (at least more scripted shows), so TV is pitching itself harder and harder to women, thus making men even less likely to watch, thus making it even more important to appeal to women, etc.

Something like this already happened with print fiction -- women, I think, were always better readers than men, and furthermore enjoyed fiction more. So publishers bought more female-skewing novels, thus making it less likely men would buy novels.

And so on. You know the breakdown of novel purchases by gender? Women buy 80% of novels; men buy 20%.

This isn't really a complaint so much as an observation.

Back when I was a younger man, I didn't complain that a suspiciously large number of films seemed designed to appeal to me. I just accepted my good fortune.

(Well, I don't know if I should call it "good fortune." For every Die Hard, there were eight Erasers and four Hard Targets.)

Now that I'm older, most movies aren't for me (I'm a little tired of the Talented but Rebellious Young Man Must Accept His Destiny of Being Awesome character arc) and very few novels and apparently no TV shows at all.

The only TV shows "for men" seem to be those designed to appeal to both sexes equally -- dumb reality shows like Survivor, procedurals-mixed-with-personal-drama like Elementary, and general-audience sitcoms like Big Bang Theory.

The only single scripted TV show -- a single fiction -- whose intended audience is primarily male I can think of is Game of Thrones. But that wound up appealing to women, and if I were to guess, I'd say that women probably made up the majority of the audience.

Again, I'm not really complaining. This seems to be explainable by operation of market forces (with the addition of a vicious cycle whereby the smaller part of the audience becomes smaller and smaller still as the industries pitch to the larger potential audience).

It's not a conspiracy, and it's not really even "political."

Still, if we live in a world where each and every "Gender Gap" must be shrieked about and endlessly discussed as "problematic" (and we do live in precisely such a world) -- how about doing a little shrieking for the poor underserved male potential TV audience?****



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Sep 29 19:30:30 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: In hindsight I realize that I probably bit off more than I can chew, intellectually speaking, in broaching the topic of artificial storytelling. But I'll try to lay out some thoughts on this later, when I'm not at Whup-Corp! TM



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Sep 29 19:15:59 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By


Agent Cooper,

I've heard variations of that story. I believe deciding one's values based on a single event is like a foundation built on a single brick. *g*


The other day you spoke of "artificial storytelling." What makes a story 'artificial"?


Back tonight

WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Sep 29 18:12:57 2014 167.166.23.242) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe/Wolfguard: I read a blogger's story about how and when he formed his ideological beliefs. It was kind of funny and interesting at the same time.

I'll paraphrase, but the blogger says he remembered this one incident that has always stood out to him, as it became the bedrock of his political beliefs and a metaphor of how he sees American politics today.

The blogger was a small child at the time. One day he and his younger brother were each given a cookie to eat. His younger brother gobbled down his cookie right away but the blogger decided to save his for later. However, immediately after his little brother finished his cookie, he began to demand the author's cookie as well. When told no, the younger brother proceeded to have such a complete meltdown temper tantrum that finally to keep him quiet his mom just gave in and gave the little brother the author's cookie to eat.

That day, this blogger said, was the day he became a conservative. :-)



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 29 17:24:04 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
The Birthday Gnome Thank you for stepping in! I'm not sure what happened with the beta this morning.



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KAM says:
(Mon Sep 29 16:04:54 2014 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Hello,

YAY...BRONZE!

I'm guessing the YAY was delayed by the technical difficulties?

KAM
Ty King Fan



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The Birthday Gnome says:
(Mon Sep 29 15:56:19 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Today is September 29, 2014 C.E.
And the Birthday Gnome brings you via
the auspices of the Birthday Gnomette
SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

HelgafromPittsburg
Lurking Little Feet
Matsu Terwilliger
MissFaith
Queenie
Spike Fan
Witchy Tara


Happy Birthday to You!
Happy Birthday to You!
Happy birthday from the Bronze to:
HelgafromPittsburg, Lurking Little Feet, Matsu Terwilliger, MissFaith, Queenie, Spike Fan, & Witchy Tara!
Happy Birthday to You!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 29 15:09:41 2014 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
testing...

Do to technical issues, Birthdays for Today will be done tomorrow.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Sep 29 03:12:47 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
A quiet night tonight. *g*



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 28 23:54:04 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
valMichael Ahhh! Thank you!



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valMichael says:
(Sun Sep 28 23:48:46 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe Technically, Hurricane season starts the first of June, and runs through the end of October. However, there have been storms that occurred outside those dates. :)



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Sep 28 22:55:52 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Of Orwell, I have only read Animal Farm and Homage to Catalonia. The latter is his memoir of serving in the Republican army during the Spanish Civil War. I believe the experience lead him distrust both Stalin and totalitarian systems. I just found this letter written by Orwell in which explains why he wrote 1984.


WG



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Trex6 says:
(Sun Sep 28 22:15:13 2014 108.78.56.127|54.205.148.242) [Edit/Delete]
I'm putting together a Kickstarter
Project to build a Buffy the Vampire
Slayer/Angel Museum and real Bronze
Club in the LA area. I expect to be
successful if I can enlist the
support of the casts and crews,
especially SMG and David B. They
alone have over one million
followers on Twitter. You can
preview this project and leave
feedback at
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects
/87770234/371457481?token=89e01d7d



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CaughtNTheQuiet says:
(Sun Sep 28 21:43:42 2014 74.77.252.123) [Edit/Delete]
quick slip-n-slide through to
pay my exorbitant bar tab



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sun Sep 28 19:44:20 2014 72.78.162.13) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Sep 28 19:48:01 2014
Maverick Christopher Marlowe I don't need any of the things in it, but some have serious sentimental value, some have slighter sentimental value, and some are just there. And yes, '94 Ford Escort, died in October 2002 and the bill I got for the engine-radiator replacement was just a bit under $1700.00.
I could really use a car, but the secondary expenses, specifically insurance and maintenance, are things I couldn't stretch my budget over. Even the gas, well, a 31-day trans pass is still "only" $60.00 so compare to fuel and parking. And I have no lease, phone or utilities in my name, didn't have when I took the car there, and have moved so often they have no idea where I am.


wolfguard About 1984: I once suggested to my best friend in the '80s that, if the Axis had won WWII and if Huey Long had become President of the US in the Depression, the resulting world might look like Orwell's vision.
(As background, to compare his conservatism and mine, to use a historical analogy, I was Robert Taft, he was Alan Dulles.)
He wasn't stamping his feet, screaming and whining, but I think a part of his mind was doing that inside. He said Orwell's book can only be seen as a put-down of Stalinism, and anything else was just plain wrong.
Opinions?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 28 19:09:34 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
valMicahel Has Hurricane season arrived yet?



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valMichael says:
(Sun Sep 28 17:41:49 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: banshee lover, Byron, gelfling, gypsyrat, Just Watching, Mr. Happy, Shane C, and slivavampyr!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Sep 28 13:02:27 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
lostinamerica How are you doing this Sunday morning?



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Sep 28 12:49:21 2014 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday gypsyrat!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Sep 28 12:39:18 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, September 28th 2014 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!



banshee lover
Byron
gelfling
gypsyrat
Just Watching
Mr. Happy
ShaneC
slivampyr


Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
banshee lover, Byron, gelfling, gypsyrat, Just Watching, Mr. Happy, Shane C, slivavampyr!



My food is problematic. River, 'The Message'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Dogmeat says:
(Sun Sep 28 05:56:26 2014 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday
Tom Braidwood
Tamara Taylor



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Sep 28 05:19:22 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

Google "Churchill" and a few relevant words from the quote. You'll likely find variations of what I quoted along with most being attributed to Churchill. That said, you will find some folks disagreeing and saying Churchill did not say it. Until proven differently, I'm in the Churchill camp. *g*


WG



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Maverick says:
(Sun Sep 28 02:59:43 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Sep 28 03:01:04 2014
DaddyCatALSO: I think you need to determine some basic facts to decide what to do. MAYBE NOT--see WAIT A MINUTE below. You don't need to put any more about this on the Board if it's too personal. But you need to know what is the remaining bill for the engine replacement? Around $2,000 (seems to me that's how much I paid last time I replaced an engine)? BUT, then, I was able to drive the car 4 years after that. Is the car now operational? Does it need additional work to be serviceable? Mileage? What is it worth? Blue Book? When is the last time you talked to the replacement people and what did they say? What is the Small Claims Court top limit in your area? Is the car still insured? What did you sign authorizing the repairs? Have you read this? You don't have any use for it anymore? Is is paid for (car payments)? Naturally it all has to do with how much you owe them and the current condition of the car and what it's worth? Most cars have a scrap value of say $300. But there are lots of uses for a car that runs. (Many people are being crushed with the Obama economy.) How much could you afford per week to make good on your debt? Does your credit standing matter to you? Do you have a credit card with any room on it? I'm guessing you owe $2,000 and it's only worth $300 salvage but around $1,000 if it runs (especially with a new engine.) I wouldn't put anything in writing. I would suggest giving them a call and explaining your circumstances and proposing you signing ownership over for the remaining bill. Do something, though, before it snows. You could agree to pay them something over and above the transfer of ownership, say $5 a week for two years ($520.) Each day that this goes unresolved increases the risk that the car will freeze up and be worthless (if it IS still drivable.) I don't know what to tell you. If I were in the shoes of the repair place, I think I would accept the transfer and accept a note for $520, which would give me an additional value which, if not paid, I could then sue for in Small Claims Court (for a minimal $20 court costs.) If they DO get a judgement, they could then garnish your wages (but you know that.) If the car is actually in good shape, perhaps you know someone who needs a car (sell the re-conditioned engine.) WAIT A MINUTE!! Did you say it's been there since October of 2002? Or was that one of your typos? That would be 12 years. I would say that whatever personal use items there are in the car, if you haven't needed them by now, you don't really need them. If it's been there since 2002, it's worthless as a drivable car. They could have junked it by now and obtained the $300 or so (I'm pretty sure, without your transfer signature); maybe they just want to look busy. And they haven't tried to contact you since then? You have moved often since then? Methinks I would just forget it and hope you never hear about it again. I wonder if there's a statute of limitations on such transactions. Probably.


I think Chris Pratt (of Guardians of the Galaxy) is on SNL tonight. He's got a wacky obliviousness about him that is funny.


Maverick


A Different Drum




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 27 22:32:25 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO I once sold a car I had to a scrap yard for about $500 bucks. Is that an option?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Sep 27 20:46:46 2014 204.186.244.234) [Edit/Delete]
Okay, putting it out to the group; the garage I left my car at in October of '02 still ahs it sitting on their parking lot, and I still can't pay for the engine replacement. Should I write them and offer to turn it over to them for parts value (a ';94 Escort) and ask if I can drop by and retrieve some personal items in it (books, blankets, pillows, stuffed animals, some other things.)



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Sep 27 19:08:41 2014 204.186.244.234) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe As I recall the no heart/no head dichotomy was drawn by a French politico.

wolfguard abt Wasn't thinking of Purgatory, just alternate ideaS for the polity centered on the bRITISH iSLES.

Maverick Nope, no Faraday cages.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 27 17:27:28 2014 70.198.2.202) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick I did not Check for special
features! Other than For lord of the
rings, I usually skip them.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Sep 27 16:40:27 2014 50.133.76.168) [Edit/Delete]
Don't Think (by Media reports) That The IRS Scandal is Significant? Here's Chapter and Verse on It. There's certainly more here than was used to construct an article of impeachment against Tricky Dick Nixon. This is a thorough timeline of the corruption and its significance to the re-election effort of Barack Obama.


Here's a summary of a summary of a summary (there's not much specific info here--not enough to rate a spoiler) of the plot to Joss Whedon't "Avengers: Age of Ultron."


Christopher Marlowe: Were there ANY Special Features on the copy of "Veronica Mars" you got from Netflix? None on the copy I took out of my local library. BTW, I also took out "American Hustle" which was confusing but great (Jennifer Lawrence plays the ultimate flaky wife and Christian Bale still looks handsome despite a horrendous comb-over.) I also took out "12 Years a Slave" and was very, very disappointed, as it was an American story, filmed here, but the cast and crew, etc., were mostly from England. You would have thought they could find Americans to make American movies (such is the state of depravity the Unions have led us to.)


Maverick


Wonder




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valMichael says:
(Sat Sep 27 16:19:26 2014 76.31.40.150) [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday: Julie and Paksenarrion!

ChristopherMarlowe I just got a new cable modem today. Comcast/Xfinity has upgraded the max. net connection to 50Mbits/sec and the new modem will handle it. It makes gaming and streaming videos much more stable.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 27 15:04:57 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
I'm off to a pumpkin festival!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Sep 27 13:54:25 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday September 27th 2014 C.E.

We have TWO (2) Birthdays!



Julie
Paks aka Paksenarrion


Happy Birthday from the Bronze to Julie, Paksenarrion!



Sweetie, we're crooks. If everything were right, we'd be in jail.Wash, 'Serenity'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Sep 27 13:15:22 2014 75.76.165.174) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!

wolfguard Not 100% certain. One of the paragraphs of blurbs or excerpts in italics from the link.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Sep 27 05:51:31 2014 98.192.33.109) [Edit/Delete]
Yay Gypsyrat!



Rest in Peace Algerina




Agent Cooper,

The Mayor was my favorite villain, but The First came closer to what it takes in the real world to commit evil on a grand scale. Hitler's power lie in his ability to persuade people to do his will. Without that, Hitler was nothing. By creating an incorporeal Big Bad, Joss hi-lighted the power of words to initiate change, good or bad.

As to Glory, Lostinamerica nailed it. If the writers wanted Buffy to face a Big Bad with godlike powers, then there had to be reasons why that god couldn't swat Buffy down the moment they first met.

As to 'artificial storytelling.' that's for tomorrow night. *g*



Good Night to All

WG


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