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Sarah's Carl says:
(Sat Jan 28 11:10:15 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

Vladimir Kulich on the final "Chuck"!

hmm, he is in blue too. Bet no one posted his name much in the past year. (
Except his birthday. :) )

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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Jan 28 04:59:29 2012 69.137.69.164) [Edit/Delete]

Maverick--I just figured the best chance I'd have to see an aurora borealis in the U.S. is Alaska--maybe I'll make it up there one day. I'd like to take one of those fjord cruises, maybe I could kill two birds with one stone ;)

And you only got Tilda's odd get-ups, you missed the just awful ones ;)

valMichael--As a teen-age boy, were break-ups that terrible for you? Because boy, I remember how they seemed like the end of the world :(

Yay! HumVee!

Belated Yay! SweePer!

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 28 04:55:20 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Jan 28 04:57:34 2012

Yay HumVee!

Leather Jacket,

2 of 2

World War Two left the world with one country with any significant industrial capacity - the USA.¹ There was tremendous world-wide demand for all sorts of consumer and industrial goods. The 12-odd million American servicemen returned home to produce those goods ( most American servicewomen returned to their homes, as did most of the American women who had 'manned' the factories during the war).

Some of the New Deal programs that provided a foundation for the postwar middle class were minimum wage, union promotion, unemployment insurance and social security.

¹ State-of-the-Art technologies

cc: DaddyCatALSO

Good Night to All

WG

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Jan 28 04:28:00 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Leather Jacket,

1 of 2

I've just done a quick and dirty skim of three or four websites on the New Deal. Follows the programs I kept seeing, many I recognized. I've tried to fit them into categories.

Public Employment

- Works Progress Administration
- Public Works Administration
- Civil Works Administration
- Civilian Conservation Corp

- Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA's end was to provide electricity and flood control, but building the dams, power plants and grid provided employment)

Workers Rights

- Wagner Act (promoting labor unions)
- National Industrial Recovery Act

Financial Regulation

- Creating the Security Exchanges Commission

- The Glass-Steagall Act (I know this as the act which separated commercial and investment banking; however, at least one site said it also created the Federal Deposit Insurance Coporation)

Housing

- Home Owners Loan Corporation
- Federal Housing Administration

Others

- Creating Social Security
- Agricultural Adjustments Act (subsidies that provided a floor on prices for agricultural commodities)
- The Federal Security Agency (This seems to have been some sort of umbrella organization for administering programs - I think)

- The National Recovery Act (an attempt to coordinate cooperation between business and labor, the courts ruled it unconstitutional)

New Deal Chronology (virgina.edu)

Interactive Chart (FDR library, Marist)

cc: DaddyCatALSO

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 28 02:20:30 2012 64.179.159.76) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin Not much actually. I plan to check out a new exhibit at the local arts center and have coffee with a friend. We haven't gotten together in a while, so I'm anticipating a pleasant day tomorrow.

There is a massive Stock Show and Rodeo in town and I usually check out the vendors there and maybe pet a goat in the baby animal area. *g* But I'll reserve that for Sunday.

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Beldin says:
(Sat Jan 28 01:44:27 2012 209.34.45.242) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe - I haven't done anything with it yet. I have two that are supposed to arrive tomorrow. What have you got going on this weekend?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 28 01:33:00 2012 64.179.159.76) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin Did you make a decision on your Netflix account?

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Beldin says:
(Sat Jan 28 00:34:20 2012 209.34.45.242) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe - I haven't, either.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Jan 28 00:20:36 2012 64.179.159.76) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin TJIF! And I don't believe I've heard of a digital can machine before.

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Beldin says:
(Fri Jan 27 23:04:45 2012 209.34.45.242) [Edit/Delete]

Here now.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 27 22:01:08 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl,

My answer was close, insomuch as the Susan Constant that stalked Kirk was named after the Jamestown ship. *g*

Leather Jacket,

For now a quick reply. Probably the best policy implement immediately after WW2 was the GI Bill.

DaddyCatALSO,

What if Napoleon had not needed to sale the Louisiana territory or had been able to 'reclaim' it later (as is said by some to have been his intent)? What if the Constitution had been ratified by only some of the states? What if South Carolina had not been deterred by Andrew Jackson and had left the Union? What if the US had lost against Mexico or France had held onto Mexico and then went on to take the southwest? What if Russia had not sold Alaska? What if Hawaii had maintained its independence as a buffer country between Japan and the US? What if the western territories had solved the northern and southern states' argument over the introduction of slavery by severing their ties with those troublesome old states?

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 21:43:41 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Tea Time will be the company darjeeling, just for something a little different.

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KAM says:
(Fri Jan 27 21:13:14 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Hello again,

YAY HUMVEE

Christopher Marlowe: Most of my customers are pretty good, but a few...not so much.

KAM
Ty King Fan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jan 27 20:27:49 2012 216.157.229.196) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jan 27 20:34:26 2012

wolfguard Leather Jacket Christopher Marlowe I'm just hoping we can survive long enough as a coutnry to coem in as a whole entity into the United Lands of Earth (trilobite flag) or the North American Federation (I have neat design in mind I call the North AMerican fReindship Flag.)

Texas and California had their own independence movemnts so they likely woul be around with or without the United Sates.

Turtledove solved it two ways. First,The Articles held together long enough for us to acquire Louisiana nd Oregon. Second, the whole world is mroe fractious; Canada is multiple coutnries as well, Prussia never got cotnrol of the rest of Germany, etc.

Mackinley Cantor's version is too parochial to be beleiveable; he disreagrds Mexican, Russian,Spanish, and Japanese hsitory, and Southern expansionist notions, just to create his neat little thing, and loyal to what I call the "You cna't win principle."

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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jan 27 19:27:07 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Historical Pursuits

Category: History
Question: What is notable about Susan Constant?
Answer: One of the three ships for Jamestown

Trivia Sailors: OldManFan, Maverick (LOL!), valMichael
Trivia Swabbers: wolfguard

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Maverick says:
(Fri Jan 27 18:36:40 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl: One of three ships used to found the Jamestown colony. The other two were Susan Constipation and Susan Irregularity. You could tell them apart by the size of the, dare I say it, poop deck.

Leather Jacket: Yes, where I come from, that's called "Damning by faint praise."

R.I.P. James Farantino

Yay, HumVee, Yay!

Happy Birthday, Stephanie Romanov

Happy Birthday, Charity aka Taygeta

Make a wish, blow out a candle

Maverick

Dust In The Wind

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 17:45:11 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Excellent answer, if not the correct one. *g*

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Leather Jacket says:
(Fri Jan 27 17:40:48 2012 72.94.16.232) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard : That's part of the difference, I suppose. I'm not a Sarah/Chuck shipper. I don't think I'm much of an any couple anywhere shipper. And the more Sarah and Chuck became Sarah/Chuck, the more Awesome and Ellie got put on the back burner. Of course, also, the more Chuck became SuperSpy, the less contrast there was between him and Awesome. And I used to love Awesome. Now, the show is just ... less ... awesome.

DaddyCatALSO, wolfguard : It's also possible (we can only speculate about "what if it hadn't happened") that the programs that FDR set in place in the New Deal kept us from slipping back into depression after the war was over. Where did all those returning service men find jobs? Well, yes, some replaced women who went back home, but others ... a lot of the houses near where I live were apparently built by the Army Corps of Engineers.

Maverick : Saying something is "no worse than 'White men can't jump'." Isn't exactly a glowing endorsement.

wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe : Before the states were united, and even for a while after, each of the 13 states believed that they extended to the Pacific Ocean. However, as I saw in a map in school (but can't find on line), one of the colonies tried to claim everything west of Appalachia. So, without a United States (federation), the revolutionary war would have probably been followed by a series of wars over those territories. If those countries -- for lack of a better term -- had survived, while they might have avoided a civil war, would have had a problem expanding into Louisiana, Texas and California (etc), since they were owned by other countries. And individually, they probably would not have been able to compete with Mexico, France and/or Spain.
But let's say they survived as individual countries (for the fun), and were limited to the territory east of the Mississippi, and weren't overrun by their neighbors. Would they have been able to contribute during WWI or WWII? Forget the current troubles in the Middle East. Kaiser Wilhelm may very well have succeeded.

Trivia Girl : She's variable.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 27 17:30:08 2012 71.56.119.197) [Edit/Delete]

Drive-By

Trivia Girl,

What is notable about Susan Constant?

She's why James T. Kirk joined StarFleet. *g*

DaddyCatALSO,

There're at least several paths of political evolution that could have happened across North America. And based on history, the US is not likely to last forever.

WG

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valMichael says:
(Fri Jan 27 16:43:58 2012 98.201.51.55) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Birthday: Bubble's Dad, BuffyFan87, Noveaux, ShadowSlayer, and VeRyVaMpYGiRLy!

YAY humvee!

Trivia Girl Susan Constant, captained by Christopher Newport, was the largest of three ships of the English Virginia Company (the others being the Discovery and the Godspeed) on the 1606-1607 voyage that resulted in the founding of Jamestown in the new Colony of Virginia. (from wikipedia)

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OldManFan says:
(Fri Jan 27 15:33:00 2012 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl - the Susan Constant was one of the three ships used in the founding of Jamestown.

OMF

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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Jan 27 15:07:56 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Historical Pursuits

Category: History
Question: What is notable about Susan Constant?

Yay HumVee!!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Jan 27 14:12:06 2012 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]

let's hear a great big bronze cheer for humvee!

yay humvee!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Jan 27 13:52:38 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

TODAY is FRIDAY, January 27th 2012 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

Bubble's Dad
BuffyFan87
Noveaux
ShadowSlayer
VeRyVaMpYGiRLy

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Bubble's Dad, BuffyFan87, Noveaux, ShadowSlayer, VeRyVaMpYGiRLy!

Excuse me? Who gave you permission to exist?Cordelia, 'The Harvest'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 13:47:14 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

KAM Customers! Can't live with or without them.

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KAM says:
(Fri Jan 27 13:44:22 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Good Morning Everyone,

YAY...

Christopher Marlowe: Well I had a project from hell. My customer's customer is a well known Crony-capitalist specialty company that seems to be actually WORSE than government in their workings, so that was a nightmare. Plus, it literally sickens me to be involved with a company who is doing what they are ONLY because they are able to suck taxpayer dollars into their coffers.

But other than that, we're just swamped, which is a good problem to have I guess.

KAM
Ty King Fan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Jan 27 13:27:10 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe wolfguard As I recal the original idea *was* to start Angel and S-4 in the same week.
Turteldove wrote a novel the Disuntied States of AMerica, delaign with that idea.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 27 04:39:54 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Yay SweePer!

Good Night to All

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 04:19:48 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Before we became United, we were a collection of 13 or so states. I don't know of area that is similar, ie a group of cooperating, but independent states.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 27 04:12:52 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

"...I don't know if there is an equivalent situation anywhere in the world...

?

Not sure what situation you're describing. There are a number of ways North America could have evolved politically. Just ask DaddyCatALSO. *g*

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 03:49:23 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Better post something so to make the board at least look active. *g*

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 02:48:19 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard I'm sure that someone out there has some thoughts about that, collection of States, but not a United States. I don't know if there is an equivalent situation anywhere in the world, so it might realistically not be possible for the US as a country not to have formed.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 27 02:16:56 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

More players today, more channels of communication, faster news cycle ... the Consitution probably could not be ratified today. That said, how would North America have evolved without a United States? How would that world look like today? Maybe they would not have quite the same interests and ideologies we know.

Who knows?

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 01:46:59 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard That sounds good. I have dvds of all the seasons of both shows. It shouldn't be much trouble to watch and comment on both.

I wonder how the Constution would have fared if it was in the process of being written today?

Beldin Maybe that bozo knew he would be better off in the cell. *g*

Tomorrow the boss is off, so I expect there won't be a great deal done tomorrow. We've hit our goals, so there isn't any end of the month pressure right now.

I totally understand about the end of the week being the best thing.

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Beldin says:
(Fri Jan 27 01:36:08 2012 209.34.45.242) [Edit/Delete]

Here now.

Christopher Marlowe - The best thing about the week is it's almost over. I can not say it has been a good one though there were some high points.

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wolfguard says:
(Fri Jan 27 01:34:15 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

For around a dozen years following the revolution, each of the states were essentially sovereign with their inter-state affairs govern by The Articles of Confederation. Problems arose leading the states to send represenatives together and tweak the Articles. Instead, they decided to start with a blank slate and create something new. Not everyone was pleased.

I'm going to go on to 4th season BtVS, but if you and others post on AtS 1 then there'd be more content to entice others to post.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 01:10:42 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin I'm missing my bozo of the day! How has your week been so far?

wolfguard Up for Graduation Day talk next week? I've been thinking we could to a GREAT ANGEL RE-WATCH, as Angel started after season three, so it might be a nice segue.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Jan 27 00:26:02 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jan 27 00:29:21 2012

Sarah's Carl I am so sad to hear that. I love the gang on Kotter.

ETA

wolfguard

I just got this book from the library

Ratification: People Debate the constitution[./a] I heard high praise about this book and I'm pretty eager to read it.

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Thu Jan 26 23:53:50 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Jan 27 00:04:44 2012

R.I.P Robert Hegyes, Juan Epstein on Welcome Back Kotter

Signed, Epstein's Mother

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 21:13:19 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Tea Time Is Lady Earl Grey, it is very cold in here all of sudden.

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Maverick says:
(Thu Jan 26 20:27:17 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 26 22:17:09 2012

lostinamerica: Tilda Swinton pics.

Wolfguard: Reaching the end of our rope. The only reason we haven't reached it already is that we are the world-wide common currency (and the Euro is so unpredictable.)

Melissa McCarthy has certainly risen since her stint on "Gilmore Girls." I wonder whatever happened to Alex Borstein?

Sarah's Carl: "Alcatraz" has been remotely interesting so far. There's the two-hour Pilot and one episode so far; they might be available online. It still could be very good; I like some of the cast a lot.

Okay, to recommend various DVD series, "Saving Grace" and "In Treatment" are rare gifts. "Father Ted" and "Wallander" and "Luther" (and, of course, "Rumpole") are great if you can get a hold of British series. I have taken them out of my local libraries, lucky me.

Maverick

I Have Dreamed

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 26 20:24:57 2012 216.157.229.196) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 26 20:28:54 2012

Maverick I do collections, so PC isn't a job thing, and I have no use personally for the PC Police as a phenomenon. but I just don't like some jokes, and the one you ended with today is also one of them :-).

ShadowQuest I think one reason I don't cry as much now as I did during the first year of FX reruns (besides the pain being further in the past) is simply that I no longer listen as closely as I did. From mid-01 to late -02 I couldn't watch an ep. rerun or first-run, without bawling -until the 3rd time I saw "Seeing Red," but I distratced myself.

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ShadowQuest says:
(Thu Jan 26 20:14:35 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 26 20:56:48 2012

Zoom through

valMichael Yeah, that one hurts. Joss hit the emotional goldmine with Sarah & Alyson.

Shoot, throw David in the mix and I'm a blubbering mess. "Angel? Do you understand me?"

"Buffy? sobbing Buffy."

Or "Look, I'm weak. I've never been anything else. It's not the demon in me that needs killing, Buffy. It's the man."

"You're weak. Everybody is. Everybody fails. Maybe this evil did bring you back, but if it did, it's because it needs you. And that means that you can hurt it. Angel, you have the power to do real good, to make amends. But if you die now, then all that you ever were was a monster."

And don't even bring up "Mom? Mom? Mommy?"

Leather Jacket, Christopher Marlowe Thanks. I was thinking I might be able to trace the stuff onto tissue paper and then wrap that around the mask, but...tissue paper is very thin and with my luck it'd rip rather than stay in place.

I suppose I can attempt to freehand it; it's not like anyone's going to have her actual mask to compare it to.

Ran into a bit of a problem, though - I had put it on to take pictures, and two of the mouth bars came off. Well, the one in the center came off completely, and the one next to it popped off at the top. I guess Elmer's just isn't made to withstand putting a mask on.

Funny, though - they were glued tightly in place, and I didn't touch them when I put the mask on - I held it lightly by the nose, and by the elastic band. Guess I'll just have to get out the glue gun.

I see many ouchies in my future...

Zoom, zoom

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 26 19:33:01 2012 71.56.119.197) [Edit/Delete]

Drive-By

Del,

...Of course it was Sarah. That must explain it. *G*

Leather Jacket,

Economics tonight, entertainment now. I'm a big Sarah/Chuck shipper. *g* And I think Gossip Girl's 13 second main title is magic (of course I like Kristen Bell). *g*

Maverick,

Who will continue to lend money to a spendthrift?

Well, the current joke is the US is the healthiest horse in the glue factory. *g* Perhaps more important, foreigners with money trust US laws and political stability. How many wealthy Chinese have assets in the US for a rainy day?

WG

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Dogmeat says:
(Thu Jan 26 19:30:30 2012 75.149.246.65) [Edit/Delete]

ahhhhhhh Key West is great.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 26 19:22:09 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Presidential Pursuits

Category: Presidents
Question: What US president was born Leslie King, Jr?
Answer: Gerald Ford

Trivia Presidents: OldManFan, valMichael

Trivia veeps: Maverick, Leather Jacket

valMichael I think Ford just comes up in trivia sites more often. I'll have to see if I can come up with something on Grover Cleveland. *g*

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Maverick says:
(Thu Jan 26 19:02:39 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl: Barack Obama. He certainly does not look like Barack, Sr.

DaddyCatALSO: Probably in your line of work you must toe the PC line or you could have it used against you if it would come up in a lawsuit. Still, it's a common joke: a less offensive version is regarding hockey. It used to be "I'll bet our Canadians can beat your Canadians." Nowadays, it might be more like "I'll bet our Canadians (and Eastern Europeans and Norwegians) can beat . . ." It a Mercenary joke, not a racist one. And it's no worse than "White Men Can't Jump."

Wolfguard, Christopher Marlowe: Well, I appreciate your suggestion I can explain "why short-tem austerity measures might/can lead to economic growth." All I can say at this point is that just about ANY indication of an expansion of unrestrained spending may convince the credit markets that the U.S. economy is totally out of control (in terms of willy-nilly just running up Debt, Debt, Debt.) I'll explain it later; I need to find some numbers to explain. We have to start projecting that our National Debt (which is what? now, $15.2 Trillion) will soon be coming down. Every one looked the other way as it increased, but it is now at crisis size, and still growing daily and more deficit spending will be interpreted as being run by an irresponsible spendthrift. Who will continue to lend money to a spendthrift?

Maverick

I'll Stand By You

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Del says:
(Thu Jan 26 18:32:46 2012 75.55.124.254) [Edit/Delete]

ChristopherMarlowe: Those hell hounds were truly rude and obnoxious. Did you ever wonder how Buffy managed to fight all those guys and still show up looking perfectly coiffed and gorgeous? That was even more unbelievable than the hell hounds. Of course it was Sarah. That must explain it.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 17:59:22 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Del Everybody's Prom should be like that, but without the Hellhounds. *g*

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 26 17:54:30 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 26 18:01:35 2012

Leather Jacket wolfguard From what I've heard the last few years, one reason the New Deal didn't really get the economy going again is that FDR kept "tinkering with it." LArgely because of his lack of udnerstnading of economics, and because of his persoanl emotional issues with the monied powers, he was cosntantly trying a latest new thing, which amde investors, both financial and in physical plant, nervous and hesitant to act.
But soem of the programs probably put effective patches on specific sub-problems *in8 the overall Depression. Plus, psychologically, soemthing of the kind was aboslutely necessary, and no Republican cnadiate ever offered a compelling alternative.

valMichael Christopher Marlowe lostinamerica wolfguard Del I think *way* too much about certain things, based on interviews, publicity pics, etc. That bedroom scene; if the real Sarah and Alyson had been classmates and best buds in high school they'd be having that conversation barefoot[/i].

Del Closed captioning. I almost hit the roof when I brought the DVD for [i.No Ordinary Fmaily[/i] home and found it didn't have an English SDH subtitles option. So I won't get anymore out of the DVD than I did the original run. There are a lot of old movies I'd like to get but they're only available from bargain outfits which don't add subs so I don't bother.
Fortunatley the sound is clearer on the TV already in the room I'm renting than it was on the old one I had before. I plan to rewatch my copies of Chance (Amber's "Yentl projetc") and I Bury the Living.

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Del says:
(Thu Jan 26 17:36:07 2012 75.55.124.254) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard: I am so glad you posted the minister's words from the Prom. They make that scene even more beautiful if possible than it already is.(In remembering the scene as beautiful, I am disregarding Buffy's bursting into flames later of course.) I think I am going to follow DaddyCatALSO's lead and watch it again with the closed captioning on. Truly beautiful words. sob.

white wings: Hi there. I think we are in the same lifeboat.I know I am in mixed metaphor territory, but It's good to have company.

valMichael: That scene pretty much pulls all our heartstrings.Sarah is amazing.The other heart breaker is the dance at the end. One last beautiful moment.Almost everyone I watch it with cries. These writers know how to get us where we live.

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valMichael says:
(Thu Jan 26 15:34:20 2012 98.201.51.55) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 26 15:52:55 2012

Happy Birthday: Amber, EssJay, lil'Wise, and No1BuffyFan!

YAY Sweeper!

Trivia Girl Gerald R. Ford. This is the second time you've used Pres. Ford in trivia recently. Have a fascination for him or something? :)

The Prom This scene gets to me every time. Buffy and Willow are sitting on her bed talking about Angel leaving. Buffy leans over into Willow's lap and starts sobbing. Buffy: I can't breathe, Will. I feel like I can't breathe ...

Australian Open WOO HOO! Maria Sharapova is in the finals of the Open again, this time against first time finalist Victoria Azarenka for the title. I may need to get up early to see this. :)

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OldManFan says:
(Thu Jan 26 15:21:29 2012 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl - Gerald Ford.

OMF

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Leather Jacket says:
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wolfguard : I was unclear. I was afraid of that. Your -- or rather, the article's -- #5 point was to "Whip up inflation. Now" (emphasis mine). What I was saying, but being too clever about it, was that raising minimum wage, a lot (point #7) would cause a rise in prices of everything sold by minimum-wage earners, which I suspect is the broad base of the U.S. economy. Hence, doing number 7 would automatically produce number 5.

And I suspect that an increase in minimum wage would impact exports. Exports are held in warehouses until they're exported. Warehouse jobs ... suck. So warehouse employers pay warehouse employees more than minimum wage to get them to take the jobs. Of course, then they demand more than minimum wage work, but I suspect most warehouse workers are at the end of their ropes (metaphorically). So if they can't continue to demand more of those workers, they're going to have to demand more (money) from the exporters, which is going to raise the price of exported goods.

Also, I did not say that FDR's New Deal restored the U.S. economy. I was using it as an example of the federal government picking up the slack when the private sector can't. And I'm also sure that without it, the state of the U.S. economy would have been much worse.

Christopher Marlowe : I'm not familiar with the Civilian Conservation Corps.
The thing is, while there's plenty of waste in government (such as the salaries for Senators and Representatives *eg*) now is not the time to cut that waste ... except possibly those Senator and Representative salaries. Because right now, the federal government is one of the few organizations (counting private citizens here as "organizations"; hey, if corporations can be people, why not?) spending money. As far as I'm concerned, at this point, every dollar cut from government spending is a job lost.

wolfguard, Sarah's Carl : I tried to watch Gossip Girl when they had the big promo of the guy kissing another guy, and ... I just can't.

Christopher Marlowe : I think Chuck lost it's way the entire season that culminated in giving Morgan the Intersect. I actually think it's starting to make a come-back (of course, as always, I'm about a month behind), but sadly, I won't be too sorry to see it go. Interestingly (to me, because I love the show), Grimm, which follows Chuck has 1 1/2 times as many viewers as Chuck and pushes NBC from a distant fourth in the 8:00 timeslot to second at 9:00.

ShadowQuest : I suppose painting scrollwork freehand is out of the question?
If you print a copy of the mask, you will not get accurate scrolling detail. All of the scrolling bends around the face (nose, eyes, cheeks, top-of-head), so perspective is all wrong. However, all of the scroll work, as delicate as it appears, is actually quite simple. You can probably find samples on line of the individual scrolls you want (look for calligraphy web sites). Size the individual scrolls to your mask, then gather them on a page -- or two or three -- and print them. Once you have them printed, make the stencils and paint each scroll individually onto the mask at it's proper spot.
Also note: the mask is symmetrical. You can print only half of the scrolls.
Also also note: The scrolls have etch lines around them and in them. A stencil will probably not cut it for the loops under the eyes (for example).

Trivia Girl : Well, looking at the real long-form birth certificate, I'd have to say George Washington.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Jan 26 15:14:49 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Presidential Pursuits

Category: Presidents
Question: What US president was born Leslie King, Jr?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 14:33:33 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

ShadowQues Maybe you can use a more flexible material other than paper? Somethign that will mold itself better?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Jan 26 14:14:26 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

TODAY is Thursday, January 26th 2012 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!

Amber
EssJay
lil'Wise
No1BuffyFan

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Amber, EssJay, lil'Wise, No1BuffyFan!

Hands! Hands in new places!Willow, 'Doppelgangland

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 14:03:32 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Yay SweePer

KAM Good morning to you. Is there any particular reason work has been so crazy for you lately?

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KAM says:
(Thu Jan 26 13:44:11 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Good morning Everyone,

YAY SWEEPER

KAM
Ty King Fan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Thu Jan 26 13:28:26 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]

Sarah's Carl I got the impression that that the Insane Viking Press people who put _Dusted_ out work at maintaining an image of being, so to speak, "the unauthorized *type*."

wolfguard "Choices" In the shot version Buffy *&* Angel don't look especially worried at the end.
"The Prom" Odd thing, perception. Because I use the closed captions, the officiant's words from the wedding register for me as an audio memory.

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Jan 26 12:39:41 2012 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]

let's hear a great big bronze cheer for sweeper!

yay sweeper!

Happy CD Thursday!

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ShadowQuest says:
(Thu Jan 26 10:31:36 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]

Late night zoom through

Mathy types of the Bronze! valMichael, Beldin

At the risk of incurring the Wrath of Thoin (Much worse than the Wrath of Khan) I need to ask for your assistance.

As mentioned, I'm recreating the Death Eater mask of Bellatrix Lestrange, as seen in the Harry Potter movies.

I have the easy part done - I finished gluing the bars across the mouth tonight. I used the rim of a small paper plate for added durability. The "patches" around the eyes I made from an index card. To get those shapes, I was able to trace the picture from my screen, after zooming in on it in Paint Shop Pro.

However, here's my problem, and I think where the math will come in - how do I take a flat printout and turn it into a stencil for a mask?

The mask I have is a simple white plastic mask, similar to this one. (Very Japanese-horror-movie.)

My problems are:

1. My mask doesn't go up as far on the forehead nor as far back on the cheeks as her does. So a lot of the scroll work in those areas will be lost.

2. I need to somehow be able to take the printout and...mold it around the mask, once I get the stencil cut out.

The mask is 9" from top of forehead to bottom of chin. (Going over the nose. From top to bottom, from the back, it's 7" long.)

From side to side, going over the bridge of the nose, straight across the eyes, it's 8" wide. Across the chin from cheek to cheek is 6". And going cheek to cheek up over the nose is 8 1/2".

My printout is 8 3/4" x 6".

So...how do I get it to work? I assume I have to cut the printout in places so it'll wrap.

Uh-oh. I just realized something - the picture isn't straight on. There's more showing on the left side of the mask (our right) than there is on the left. Oh dear.

There is no way I can freehand all that, but I'm afraid I might have to, short of cutting out each individual..."squiggle" and using tape rolls to affix them to the mask while I paint the base color.

And here I thought I'd finally found an easy project!

I'm going to bed.

Zoom, zoom

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ShadowQuest says:
(Thu Jan 26 08:31:51 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]

Zoom through

white wings LOL! Actually, even if you do know about my hobbies, it still sounds ghoulish.

You should see some of the ads on the Model Horse Sales Pages - body boxes are one thing, but some gals have ads for parts! Heads, tails, manes...

"See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with. Long as she does it quiet-like."

Beldin What Christopher Marlowe said.

Bellatrix Lestrange was one of Lord Voldemort's favored Death Eaters. Think Drusilla as a witch, and you've got a pretty good idea. She was married to Rodolphus Lestrange, who was cousin to Sirius Black, Harry Potter's godfather.

After she escaped from Azkaban Prison, she killed Sirius, in front of Harry, and took a personal interest in killing Harry, "The Boy Who Lived," because he was a threat to her Lord. Plus - insane.

I've actually made good progress on my mask - I just have to glue two more of the mouth bars in place, then figure out how to paint it.

My current thought is to print out my reference picture large enough to cover the mask - I'll paint the whole thing silver, then cut out the scroll work on the printout and use it as a stencil.

Hmm. Maybe aluminum would be a better color to use for the main body of the mask. I have an antique silver I plan to use for the scroll work.

This is, by far, my simplest (and so far quickest!) project.

Zoom, zoom

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white wings says:
(Thu Jan 26 06:52:12 2012 66.68.132.224) [Edit/Delete]

Yay AndeeH!

Happy Birthday AliGator, Charity aka Taygeta, and CharlesS!

wolfguard - LOL! at Joss being "gracious". And fluking. *g*

My parents (staunch Republicans) maintained to the end of their days that FDR ruined the economy. They weren't ever very specific how he did it.

Beldin - I'm glad you are feeling better.

Del - Move over. I fell off the wagon around WML. And yet, the only things I could think of as comments were unuseful thoughts - Shipper's anguish, Shipper's delight - and more of the former than the latter. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 26 04:44:00 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Yay AndeeH!

Happy Birthday Charity aka Taygeta!

Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question

Aside from who, if any, survived the fight in the alley, what is the biggest question you have post-series?

1. What did Buffy do after learning of it?

2. How did the fang gang's attacks impact Wolfram & Hart?

Good Night to All

WG

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 26 04:28:10 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

The Great Buffy Rewatch

The Prom

2 of 2

Choices, the previous episode, ends with Buffy and Angel cuddling in the cemetery. They'd recently listened to the Mayor's assessment of their future. They are in denial.

BUFFY (cont'd)
I don't know what that stupid
Mayor was on about; talking
about our relationship like he
knows anything about us.

ANGEL
Well, he's evil.

BUFFY
Big time. He doesn't know what
a lasting relationship is.

ANGEL
No.

BUFFY
Probably the only lasting
relationship he's ever had is
with... with Evil.

ANGEL
Yeah.

BUFFY
He sure doesn't know you...
stupid evil guy... We'll show him.

ANGEL
We will.

She snuggles deeper into his arms, facing away from him. Worry on her face, that matches his own.

From the shooting script of Choices at Buffyworld.com

The Prom begins with Buffy waking beside Angel. They cuddle. She begins talking about making Angel's place more comfy for her and then about the coming prom. Angel seems to be pondering deeper concerns.

David does Angel doing Lindsey Hand

Rewatch the scene and watch Angel's hand fidget as Buffy talks abot the prom. What a cad. *g* OTOH, Angel may be thinking about what the Mayor said ...

MAYOR (cont'd)
(to Angel)
And let's forget the fact that any
moment of true happiness will
turn you evil.

From the shooting script of Choices

Buffy and Angel only have to make one mistake, one fluke, and it's curtains. Perhaps to literalize that thought, Buffy opens the curtains because she thinks it's still dark. Angel almost becomes ashes.

These two don't have much running room.

It cannot end well for them.

Plotting

- The gown Xander helps buy for Cordelia has to get in her hands. Since Cordelia hasn't paid for it all, she probably wouldn't have checked and discovered it had been bought for her. The writer has one of Cordelia's co-workers mention the gown. It's established that this is a friendly co-worker, because in an earlier scene she warns Cordelia that the manager has it out for her. In that same scene, it's that warning that reveals to Xander that Cordelia is an employee. So few lines, so much impact for a bit character. *g*

- In Graduation Day the writer uses Anya to reveal more background behind the Ascension. Why would Anya do so? 'Cause in The Prom they begin developing Anya experiencing human feelings and drives and do it through her and Xander.

Odds & Ends

- In Graduation Day there's a piece of music used, most prominently, over the scene where Buffy and Angel exchange last looks before he walks away. The first time I can remember hearing this piece was in The Prom scene where Angel tells Buffy if they survive then he's going to leave after the Ascension.

- In the wedding dream the minister says ...

Bless, O Lord,
this ring, that he who gives it
and she who wears it may abide
in thy peace, and continue in thy
favor, unto their life's end; through
Christ our Lord. Amen.

One cannot hear it for the music, but it shows in close captions and in the shooting script.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 04:12:33 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Hey, I totall grok Chuck and Sarah. My point is that Chuck was apparently chosen for the Intersect and there was only one Intersect. Two great things that were great together. Part of the appeal was Chuck as the geek guy turned spy with the Intersect.

Now it seems that Chuck and the Intersect are less special now.

I understand that it is sort of a natural progression for Chuck to be a spy without it, but he kidn of loses his appeal as geek guy in the process.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 26 03:34:09 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

Sarah didn't fall in love with a pair of glasses. Chuck is unique. *g*

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 02:52:32 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Sarah's Carl One of my main problems with Chuck currently, the treatment of the Intersect. Chuck was supposed to be unique, but the Intersect is like a game of hot potato now.

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Thu Jan 26 01:43:34 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,
of course Morgan's intersect had a defect and he became a real "Richard"
:) .. but it was removed. I missed see 2 during December , two weeks ago Sarah
got the intersect , the bad one and is in danger. Now she lost her memory and was
told to kill Chuck Bartowski. Oh , and last Friday Jeffster were heroes! And know
everything! And that's what you missed on "Chuck". Seems an episode is
on NBC.com for a very brief , that's how I missed 2 episodes. So if you check
everyday from Friday onward , you could see it.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 01:34:11 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Sarah's Carl I used to love Chuck, and thought it sort of lost it's way when they gave Morgan the Intersect. Not sure I'll be able to record the finale as there is usually three other shows airign in that time slot.

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Thu Jan 26 01:26:39 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe, I read Criminal Minds airs # 150 tonight, but I have never
seen an episode.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 26 01:12:43 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Jan 26 01:14:58 2012

Leather Jacket,

People think an increase in their wages would be a solution to inflation, but wide-spread wage increases usually feed inflation. People pay attention to numbers, "I'm going from $X/hour to $X+n/hour so I must be doing better." It depends on how prices change for the stuff you buy.

Tonight I do not have the Foreign Policy article at hand so cannot quote the person suggesting a minimum wage increase as a/one solution to the current economy. Some of the reasons I remember the person giving for the idea ...

1. More income, more spending leading to boost in economic activity.

2. More income, more tax revenue for governments.

The person did not think the increase would hurt exports, because most folks making minimum wage are in the service industries.¹

I read your post on economics to Christopher Marlowe. FDR's New Deal did not restore the US economy. Most historians and economists believe what restored the economy was the increased production needed to fight WW2.

Currently, people argue whether or not the President's stimulus plan worked. It's not just a two sided debate, some argue the stimulus needed to be bigger. Given the US debt, there was a limit to how big a stimulus the President could push through Congress. People get nervous watching their debt grow.

The fear and desire to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan trumped any fear of debt. FDR and Congress pulled out the stops on war spending creating the necessary size stimulus. Note, going to war was not meant to be a means for restoring the economy, it just happened to work that way.² Many pundits, politicians and economists were worried that once the war ended, the US would fall back into a depression. Instead, the combination of new technologies, repressed demand, postwar reconstruction and the baby-boom drove the postwar economy to new highs.

¹ One counter to this line is minimum wage increases tend to push up all wages, including wages of folks producing products for export.

² Keynes' ideas were not widely known or understood in the US, especially amongst politicians. FDR had no clue how the economy really worked. He was essentially trying anything and everything. If it seemed to work, he continued it. OTOH, all this experimentation unnerved folks with money and they tended to sit on their hands with their money waiting to see how things played out.

WG

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Thu Jan 26 00:55:31 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,
Big Bang Theory hit #100 last Thursday , and I have never missed an episode.

And How I Met Your Mother just hit #150

I just read the Exec Prod. of GG is expecting one more season and not writing a
finale this year.
But I hope SMG can get Michelle T on Ringer next year, if there is another
season :) Ringer return next Tuesday!

Tonight on CSI Marg Helgenberg leaves. She will be missed.

I might try out Alcatraz.

And Chuck ends with two hours this Friday. I will miss everyone as well as Adam
Baldwin.

{{Best Wishes}} going out to Demi Moore, she seems to be having troubles.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 00:43:39 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Sarah's Carl It's quite an acheivement to hit 100 episodes, no matter what the show.

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wolfguard says:
(Thu Jan 26 00:43:01 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Sarah's Carl,

I've watched a few Gossip Girl episodes to see Michelle. While Georgina is a ruthless manipulator, in the episodes I saw she was into religion (and I think the others forced her to use her base talents for some purpose). The promos for the 100th episode show Georgina dressed like a nun (?). It should be interesting, I may watch it. *g*

WG

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Thu Jan 26 00:31:57 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

DaddyCatALSO,
Actually only reason I had mentioned this I had just read a review on amazon and
the reviewer pointed out how often "unauthorized" appears all over the book. :)

Michelle Trachtenberg is tweeting to promote Episode 100 of Gossip Girl- Monday
January 30th. Georgina returns. Uh , oh!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Jan 26 00:10:27 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Home again!

Leather Jacket I've tbought it might be worth it to bring back some old goverment progrmas like the Civilian Conservation Corp or something.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 22:24:54 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Late Tea time is Lady Earl Grey..very soothing at the moment.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 25 22:13:59 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]

Sarah's Carl Yes, all the books are unauthorized, except maybe the Watcher's Diaries. I just mentioned it to point out other fans have thought the same. KAM once told me there'd bee quite a discussion on that here as well.

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Leather Jacket says:
(Wed Jan 25 21:39:15 2012 72.94.16.232) [Edit/Delete]

Got a call from a recruiter and had to spend ... a little too much time ... putting a small javascript portfolio together. Should have done that a long time ago. Also wish my Buffy FAQ had been more JavaScripty.

lostinamerica : I dunno. The Olympics seem to do a pretty good job of limiting themselves to the upper-echelon of amateur sports.

wolfguard : I think I've seen that list before. Raising the minimum wage will take care of that inflation thing.
And I'd have to take umbrage at the "guaranteeing employment, at least for young people". Young people, right out of college, sure, they have their college tuitions to pay for. But those of us who lost jobs in our thirties and forties suddenly found our debt going from manageable to crippling overnight. Those who haven't already lost their homes and/or filed bankruptcy are still considering it. And with perhaps outdated training (as opposed to the fresh-out-of-school crowd), some-to-many have no job prospects in the foreseeable future. But nobody seems to care about us middle-aged middle-classers. Especially the single ones with no one else to take up the slack.

Christopher Marlowe : "Austerity" isn't in and of itself negative. Remember that all government spending comes from either tax money or borrowing. When economic times are tough, everyone wants their taxes lowered, so the government has to either borrow more or spend less (or, you know, both). But when the government spends less and the private sector spends less all at the same time, that leads to economic collapse. The government needs to pick up slack when the private sector can't (see FDR's New Deal), and then cut back when the private sector can hold its own. (One) Problem is, when the private sector is holding it's own, no one seems to care.

YayOfTheDay : I dunno. Boxers or briefs?
(Although, in the case of David B, I've heard rumors.)

Trivia Girl : The National Beer of Texas is whisky.

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Wed Jan 25 20:55:21 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

DaddyCatALSO,
you did not mention "Dusted" was unauthorized :)

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Jan 25 20:20:42 2012 216.157.229.196) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jan 25 20:34:23 2012

Maverick No, I wasn't being negative, I was semi-offended; I'm touchy about casual associations between activities and ethnic groups. (I'd find it just as "humorous" if you'd said provde free pork chops and melon so they don't have to work.)
Also, seriously, yes, a spors team has a front office and physical plant which need workers but how many people in an urban poor neighborood quali to play on the team? Which was, for practical purpoes, what you were saying.

Del wolfguard that's something my duaghetr missed out on from the other side. Born in 1990, she was probably too young to register the background situations in a way she'd *really* remember later. And she dropped the show late in s-4 because it wasn't interesting her anymore.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 19:51:20 2012 71.56.119.197) [Edit/Delete]

Drive-By

The Great Buffy Rewatch

The Prom

1 of 2

Moon over the Hellmouth

Some people like happy stories, happy all the way through ...

A story: How Buffy and her friends went to the prom and everyone had a good time.

Excerpts from the shooting script of The Prom by Marti Noxon at Buffyworld.com

ON WILLOW AND OZ

Dancing. Then willow spots Buffy - points her out to Oz. They move to her.

WILLOW
Buffy! You look awesome.

They hug.

WILLOW
(beaming)
Everything's perfect, Buffy.

BUFFY
How's the prom?

OZ
Strangely affecting. I teared up
when they played "We Are Family."

Buffy takes this in. Pleased.

Now, I've left some lines out between 'They hug' and "We are Family"

And here they are ...

OZ
Everything cool?

BUFFY
Coolest. Devil dogs are history.

A traditional story needs conflict. The Prom could have been a story of how Buffy has to slay some demon so she and her friends can go the prom and have a good time.

But, we know it's unlikely Buffy would be killed - at this time and place - so it would only be an action adventure episode showing Buffy's still the buff.

So what can be done to put Buffy at real risk? Return to one of the show's two premises - High school is (like) hell. How might than be true for prom night?

Within the season, it's the tension beneath Buffy and Angel's relationship. On the eve of the prom there's going to be a break-up.

Buffy ~ Will, I can't breathe.

The new story is how Buffy suffers a break-up and still manages to slay a demon so her friends can go to the prom and have a good time.

This so embraces a teenage need to wrap angst in righteous self-sacrifice - you know it's true. And adults can feel the same way.

Take George Orwell's observation ...

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. "

... and rewrite it ...

Students party happily at their prom only because a dutiful and angry Buffy is going to do violence on their behalf.

At least Oz says so ...

WILLOW
We got in. We got our prom picture.
Maybe we should dance before we
get besieged or bedeviled or
beheaded or something.

OZ
Not gonna happen.

WILLOW
You're not even a little nervous?

OZ
You think Buffy's gonna let us down?

But the story takes another step, Buffy makes it to the Prom ...

Now Buffy sees Giles. Catches his eye. Nods. It's all taken care of. Giles nods back, quietly pleased. That's his girl. (excerpt from shooting script)

AND

Buffy is going to be honored, though the writer is going to keep the suspense and tension up till the reveal ...

JONATHAN
(reads)
We're not good friends.

ON BUFFY: is this a set up?

Our kids look at each other -- what is all this? (excerpt from shooting script. Note how the writer refers to the scoobies as 'Our kids' Yes!)

(Runaway Buffy, runaway!)

JONATHAN
It's from all of us, and it's got written
here, "Buffy Summers. Class Protector."

Buffy is stunned. Near tears

Buffy Summers, Class Protector

Leading to a happy ending, who knew Joss could be so 'gracious'? *g*

ANGEL
It's a big night. I didn't want to miss it.
(beat)
It's just tonight. It doesn't mean that--

BUFFY
I know. I mean... I understand.

There is a greater meaning to that that is not lost on Angel. They look at each other, their burdens lifted slightly, their pain not gone but mellowing. Words unsaid. (writer's note in script)

More later tonight

WG

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Del says:
(Wed Jan 25 19:48:45 2012 75.55.124.254) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard: Hi. Good to "see" you. Yes. It is true. There is always something to find in the show maybe just because we are coming at it from different and changing perspectives. I saw it when I was all grown up, but I think I remembered enough of those traumatic high school experiences to appreciate it and I also had the experience of loving, really loving someone I knew was not right for me. He was crazy about me too so I really identified with Buffy/Angel and felt that relationship so intensely.

PhilPhud may be right, but I remember crying from sheer happiness on my 16th birthday when my uncle brought a puppy to my party. I had never been allowed to have a dog so I was happier than I had ever been before. Of course I wasn't allowed to keep it.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 25 19:25:33 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Ooops! I'm late!

Sunnydale's Alcoholic Pursuits

Category: Liquor
Question: What is billed as the "National Beer of Texas?"
Answer: Lone Star Beer

Trivia Jagermeisters: OldManFan, valmichael
Trivia Schlitzes: Maverick

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 19:21:44 2012 71.56.119.197) [Edit/Delete]

Del,

I'm almost always seeing or hearing something I missed in earlier viewings. *g*

The fans who are really fortunate are those who first saw BtVS as preteens. As they move through teen-age years they'll probably appreciate the episodes more. This may also be true as they become adults.

When The Prom first aired, one bronzer, I believe Phil Phud, said only adults can cry from happiness.

Debate *g*

WG

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Del says:
(Wed Jan 25 19:04:07 2012 75.55.124.254) [Edit/Delete]

Hi everyone. I blush that I have been one of the ones who really wanted to watch Buffy again, but fell off the rewatch wagon around Thanksgiving and never really got back on again. I guess leather jacket has a point. It's like Thomas Wolfe says, "You can't go home again." So sad, but kind of true. I know that when I actually sit down to watch an episode of again. I love it all over again.

Lately I have been reading a site where each episode of Buffy is reviewed by a man who has never seen a single episode.He watches an episode a day so things move petty quickly. No problem for those of us who have watched each episode multiple times and have memorized our favorite lines. I have enjoyed seeing how he reacts to the show for the first time. No surprise. He loves it! In a way I can recapture how I felt when I first saw the show as I read his reviews.You can check it out here:
http://markwatches.net/reviews/category/buffy-the-vampire-slayer/

I found our attempt a little frustrating because,since we are all enmeshed in our own lives and problems and must see tv shows, our Buffy discussions were often
lost amid other fun discussions.No excuses though.I am afraid I am one of the ones to blame if our rewatch is flagging.I still am in love with the show and the characters who remain so real to me.

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Maverick says:
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Edited: Wed Jan 25 22:29:30 2012

Trivia Girl: Longhorn urine.

lostinamerica: Note the current Auroral Oval. Winter time is usually when we get a chance to see them. You may need to get away from the Bright Lights, Big City kind of atmosphere and look toward the North. Here's some pictures taken this year so far. Scroll down the page.

DaddyCatALSO: What? You're saying that black people are not "real people"? Somehow you are taking my suggestion way too seriously. I was being a tad half-way sarcastic, which is my penchant (also in keeping with Wolfguard's article which was tongue-in-cheek.) But as a practical matter expanding the NBA would cause another level of athletes to be drafted into professional sports. What if they gave Pittsburgh an NBA franchise, for instance? You don't think they would have to hire professional basketball players to staff it? Methinks thou art lately being a bit too negative in your thinking (like with your bussing comment); expressing a doubtful nature too quickly is not giving the matter sufficient thought. Bussing is still rife, although the reasons for it have become obscure over the years. If you doubt, say nothing. If you express too much doubt, people will think you are a wet blanket. Shake off thy mantle of pessimism.

Helena Bonham-Carter must have a ball playing the ditz in real life as well, and Tim Burton likes her just fine. It's all part of their money chase.

Maverick

Your Kiss Is On My List

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DaddyCatALSO says:
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valMichaelWell, Angel was seen packing Nina out of town but it's interesting to wonder.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 17:35:03 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin Helen Bonham-Carter playing a evil, wacky witch in the Harry Potter movies. Not one of my favorite characters!

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valMichael says:
(Wed Jan 25 16:47:51 2012 98.201.51.55) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Birthday: AliGator, Charity aka Taygeta, and CharlesS!

YAY andeeh!

Trivia Girl Lone Star Beer.

deadguy QOD Not only would I like to know what happened with Fred's parents, what about Gwen (electric girl), and Nina ( I know these are covered in the comic, but I'd prefer to see more TV episodes featuring them ).

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OldManFan says:
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Trivia Girl - Lone Star beer?

OMF

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Beldin says:
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wolfguard - Too slow. *g* But thanks for trying and thanks for the yay.

white wings - Thanks for the yay and the vibes. I'm feeling a bit better today.

ShadowQuest - Looks like a cool mask. But I have no idea who Bellatrix LeStrange is. Good luck on the ~~obsession~~ project.

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Jan 25 15:53:25 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Ooops! I'm late!

Sunnydale's Alcoholic Pursuits

Category: Liquor
Question: What is billed as the "National Beer of Texas?"

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DaddyCatALSO says:
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Christopher Marlowe KAM I do onder what it meant when it said her soul had been "consumed" in the transformation. Obviously it can't summoned in eithr of the ways that Angel's was, or Spike's, but tere must b some "ashes, heat, an gasses"whichwere producd.I had a movie idea using it as a plot hook.

lostinamerica Maverick My paternal grandmothr did only have sisters. *g. Probably any living in English speakign countries hav fully Anglicized it to Hanke/y/ie, which is how it's pronounced anyway,and which is already an existing name with different origins. Dunno about Europe.
My paternal granfather's real father probably had an ordinary AngloSaxon name like mine,"Scoettish" at most.

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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 25 15:08:34 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Good Morning again,

YAY ANDEEH

Deadguy QOD: What happened to Fred's Parents?

KAM
Ty King Fan

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Beldin says:
(Wed Jan 25 14:20:45 2012 173.219.167.82) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe - Fun. A couple of years ago our department director, who was new at the job, was forwarding an off-color photo to someone. She accidentally clicked a distribution list and sent it to all the directors in the hospital, including Administration. Someone replied that it wasn't an appropriate thing to be sent at work. She replied to all and wrote a profuse apology. What she realized too late was that she sent the same photo to all the same people, again, with her apology.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 14:20:16 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

yay AndeeH!

deadguy qod - What really happened to Fred? She's dead and all, but what about her soul and stuff?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
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TODAY is Wednesday, January 25th 2012 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!

AliGator
Charity aka Taygeta
CharlesS

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
AliGator, Charity aka Taygeta, CharlesS!

Don't worry, I'm not gonna start any sword fights. I'm over that phase.Mal, 'War Stories'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com

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lostinamerica says:
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DaddyCatALSO--That's why you need sons, to carry on the family name ;)

Leather Jacket--I can see that, too, Boreanaz being of Spanish origin.

As for football, the Super Bowl is just like any other championship, the Olympics, the World Cup, etc.--the finalists are the best teams/athletes at the moment, not necessarily the best teams/athletes. So none of it really means anything, but there's no other way to do it.

Maverick--That's on my bucket list, to see an aurora borealis.

ChristopherMarlowe--Uff da? Does that mean we have to fight now?

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YayOfTheDay says:
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let's hear a great big bronze cheer for andeeh!

yay andeeh!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by

the sunnydale information center - we have answers but don't know the questions

aside from who, if any, survived the fight in the alley, what is the biggest question you have post-series?

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

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KAM says:
(Wed Jan 25 13:54:43 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Good Morning Everyone,

YAY...

DaddyCatALSO: In my response to Christopher Marlowe I was referring to F:tvS--my suggestion, rather than her two.

KAM
Ty King Fan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
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Maverick I s eriously doubt expanding the NBA would do much to put real people back to work.

wolfguard ShadowQuest Leather Jacket Yeah, I'll probably continue but I've just burned out on my posting, for the reasons I've mentioned. I've got my momentum going so I'll stick with it. Plus I'm reading the "mark Watches, a first-time viewer up to "Passion" yestrday.(Oddly, when this started I'd decided to try to take a year or two off fromt he Buffyverse to get it fresh again.

Sarah's Carl the writers of _Dusted_ asked the same question: "What are the perks?"

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Sarah's Carl says:
(Wed Jan 25 09:35:18 2012 69.142.148.237) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,
Did you ever wonder what the Mayor planned to do next? He wasn't going to
Disneyland :)
After Marcy and the Initiative , I guess I keep thinking the Feds were still
watching. I was a big X-Files fan too. :) I'm not even going to consider if the
PTB and Wolfram & Hart had any interests.

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white wings says:
(Wed Jan 25 05:32:26 2012 70.112.156.16) [Edit/Delete]

Yay neonate

Happy Birthday Brookelberry, Stephanie Romanov, Esther, Mouse, and Will!

ShadowQuest - Your post about bodies sounds downright ghoulish, if one were not aware of your hobbies. *g*

Leather Jacket, lostinamerica,DaddyCatALSO - I would have put "Boreanaz" in Central Europe, but I feel as though I've been spoiled for always about his Italian lineage.

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 04:49:14 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Yay Neonate!

Happy Birthday Stephanie Romanov!

Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

If you were tasked with creating a non-Buffy series set in the buffyverse, which character from BtVS would you most want to include?

I'd have to ask the task-master who does he or she see as the audience. Excepting Dawn, all the characters are in their late 20s (actors in early 30s). Is the audience going to be twenty-thirty somethings? Seriously?

If the audience are teen-agers, then you'll have to create new characters and cast new actors. Before that, you have to ask whether this buffyverse follows what happened in Chosen or will if be the Buffy reboot?

Good Night to All

WG

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 04:16:55 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

You're sounding like a spin-meister. A 5% or 10% or 15% cut across the board, regardless of the label, is a cut. *g*

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 03:55:58 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Maybe it's just a matter of word choice for me. Austerity connotates negatively, just seeing oversea riots over austerity measures does not make me look favorably on such efforts here.

Fiscal Discipline sounds better: It implies austerity, but not as drastic. Like someone starving themselves to lose weight vs planning a more restricted diet. The difference to me is degrees.

Just finished watching Graduation Day and I survived high school. *g*

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wolfguard says:
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Edited: Wed Jan 25 03:54:46 2012

Christopher Marlowe,

I believe President Obama is in favour of the opposite of what you express, i.e. (Obama's stance)

Short-term spending

Long-term 'austerity' (though he'd describe it as fiscal discipline)

And Obama is not alone in this prescription. Many pundits and policy-makers believe if consumers and businesses have significantly cut their spending AND government then cuts its spending, then overall economic activity decreases.

So these folks say governments cannot cut spending in the short-term. However, since most western governments are facing serious debt loads most all of them say such debt has to be addressed - but not now, it a little while.

The question is how long is a little while?

I'll leave it to Maverick to argue why short-tem austerity measures might/can lead to economic growth.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 02:54:51 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard I'm not sure I'm on board with 'austerity' measures. Starving yourself economically seems good in the short term, but not in the long term.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 01:42:24 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin I had a odd thing happen to me to day. I got an email from someone at work. She sent a early cheesecake photo of Clint Eastwood. She obviously intended it for someone else, but got the name wrong and emailed me back apologizing.

I replied back saying it made my day. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 01:26:48 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Jan 25 01:28:03 2012

Leather Jacket,

Here's the complete list of ideas.

1. Write off the world's debt

2. Hire everybody

3. Get better data (better models)

4. Cut defense spending

5. Whip up inflation. Now

6. Spend $1 trillion on the future (global infrastructure spending)

7. Raise the minium wage. A lot.

8. Think small. (shift public R&D spending from large firms to small firms with emphasis on prizes)

9. Tame the world's crazy currency system

10. Buy more yhacts.¹

11. Get healthy, get wealthy (promoting wellness and preventive medicine to lower health costs)

12. Build green cities

13. Take a vacation

¹ Most consumers and businesses are not spending and many governments are implementing austerity programs so where will the needed spending come from? The Rich.

"...We could enact a steeply progressive surtax on the annual consumption of the wealthiest households, while making sure it's scehduled for gradual phase-in only after the economy has returned to full employment..."

ETA Source: Foreign Policy, Jan/Feb 2012, pp. 58-73.

WG

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 01:05:20 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

I have to first watch and post on The Prom, but that won't happen until tomorrow. *g*

Leather Jacket,

#2 "Hire Everybody"

Diane Coyle's idea, essentially "...introduce major public-sector jobs program, guaranteeing employment, at least for young people..."

She begins her piece by quoting Benjamin Roth, an Ohio lawyer who kept a diary during the Great Depression.

"When I started these notes it never occurred to me that the depression would last more than two years ... We are now in the beginning of the seventh year and the road is not yet clear." - Roth, 1936

She believes such public spending on jobs would not cost much more than what's already being spent on unemployment benefits (she's British).

"...Of course, it would be better for the private sector to create enough jobs instead, and in the end it will have to: Structural government deficits clearing need to be eliminated. The job creation I'm advocating it an emergency measure, and its additional short-term financial cost need not be large - especially compared with the estimated $1 trillion annual subsidy banks are still receiving globally..."

Coyle is a free-lane economist with a consulting firm.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Jan 25 00:49:18 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard I think I'll make it graduation day tonight. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Wed Jan 25 00:17:26 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

DaddyCatALSO,

I intend to continue the Rewatch.

Maverick,

I was not able to recognize the association between the NBA et. al. and the article. *g*

Leather Jacket,

Whether or not defense spending helped or helps the US economy depends in part on the where's and the when's of the spending.

I'll take a look at #2 and post details on it. Might also post the remainder of the ideas.

WG

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Maverick says:
(Tue Jan 24 22:49:10 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Wolfguard, DaddyCatALSO: Wolfguard, pay attention now, YOU started the NBA, Bussing conversation with your list of 5 items to improve the economy. I listed a # 6 to expand the NBA (which would put lots more black people to work), and # 7 to eliminate Bussing (which would save a lot of useless local municipal expenses of buses and gas purchases) and I also suggested we teach high-fallutin speech patterns to our yoots (see Joe Pesche)(youths) to raise their "perceived" intelligence level.

Maverick

It's My Life

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Leather Jacket says:
(Tue Jan 24 22:45:26 2012 72.94.16.232) [Edit/Delete]

ShadowQuest : Speaking only for myself in re The Great Buffy Rewatch ... it's a different time. Buffy came along when it was sorely, desperately needed (if a TV entertainment can ever be needed, and I'm talking solely from an entertainment perspective). I've been pretty much a TV addict for as long as I can remember, and at that time, there just wasn't a lot on. Looking at the schedule for 1996-1997, as I recall, a lot of shows were on their last legs and a lot (not all, so don't give me a "what about...") just were not good. Original series on cable were just starting out. Buffy the Vampire Slayer brought a renaissance in television. During the first two years of its run, I was able to watch and rewatch again and again -- during the week an episode aired. Third year, I was still watching an episode a couple of times that week. But by fourth season, the renaissance was in full swing. There were Buffy and Angel, Due South, CSI, (and soon Without a Trace) and more. On and on, in fact. And now, where there's slack in the schedule -- and sometimes where there isn't -- it's being picked up by "cable", some of whose networks broadcast original programming almost year-round. I don't watch anything twice these days, and I'm falling horribly behind.

Also, as wolfguard hinted, the fact that people couldn't agree on when to watch two-parters may have frustrated some.
And for others, it was just a novelty for a while. Then the novelty wore off. We can't actually go back 15 years and watch the shows for the first time ... again.

*sigh* I am oogie. Where's that biosphere when I need it?

lostinamerica : I had to work, so I missed both the NFC and AFC championships. Keep in mind, I like good football. I truly do. That said, I have two objections to this year's Superbowl. The first is a "real football" objection: Until the post-season started (or maybe the last week or two), the New York Giants showed no interest in winning their division, let alone the Superbowl. No one in the NFC East did. The second is more ... superficial: With all that navy and gray, this is going to be the most boring (uniformed) SuperBowl since ... well ... two years ago.

wolfguard : IMCO, while all the defense spending (that we couldn't afford) hasn't helped the economy, cutting it would hurt the economy more. Most government spending, other than shoring up other countries' economies, leads to US jobs. The problem with the current defense spending has been (again IMCO) that it came along with massive cuts to other spending that actually cost more jobs than it created. And in the current climate, if they cut the defense spending, it's not going to be so that the government can spend on other things.
I like number 2, though ("Hire everybody".) Would love to know how they want to do that.

YayOfTheDay : Graham!
On the other hand, Wesley, the Friendly Ghost has a certain appeal.

Trivia Girl : Buena Yerba.

lostinamerica, DaddyCatALSO : I always thought "Boreanaz" would be Spanish/Hispanic.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 22:23:52 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

DaddyCatALSO,

How did this conversation on NBA, busing, etc. begin?

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
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Edited: Tue Jan 24 22:08:49 2012

Tea time is Lady Grey tea. Yawn..maybe I should add one of those five hour energy shot things in it.

ETA

ShadowQuest Those sculps are far more attractive than those Beavis and Butthead heads I saw the other day. *shudder*

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DaddyCatALSO says:
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Edited: Tue Jan 24 22:08:23 2012

KAM The thing about both of Christopher Marlowe's suggestions is they'dn't've been doable until after BtVS completed its run so I'm not clear on what you mean.

Maverick wolfguard I don't know that bussing for integration is all that common anymore, ergo slim savings, which doesn't mean it shouldn't be dropped, just don't expect much. And how many schools are a safe walk away anymore even if they're the closest?

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 21:41:04 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Maverick,

1) NBA - Basketball? I don't watch basketball. *g*

2) ?

3) ?

WG

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KAM says:
(Tue Jan 24 21:13:17 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Hello again,

Christopher Marlowe: At one point I would have loved to see that show. As of the end of BtVS, much less so.

KAM
Ty King Fan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
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Edited: Tue Jan 24 20:33:18 2012

Maverick Could be a connection way back but 1-th "N"is in the wrong part of the name 2- The family came to America from Switzerland, might originaly be from Hungary (I've got the nose for it) and no real w3ay to tell right now.

wolfguadSorry, my stuff. Thanks for the suggestion but not ispired *g.

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Maverick says:
(Tue Jan 24 19:53:54 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Wolfguard: 6. Expand the NBA. 7. End Bussing (to achieve racial somethingorother (should have been accomplished by now)--let kids go to their local school within walking distance. Think of how much gas we could save. 8. Teach American school kids to talk with an upper-crust British accent.

Christopher Marlowe: Can't you order "Father Ted" through Netflicks? Another hilarious comedy (but turn on the English subtitles) is Ricky Gervais's "Extras" (Seasons One and Two, and including all the Special Features which are fabulous)

Maverick

West End Girls

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 24 19:26:24 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Municipal Pursuits

Category: Cities
Question: What famous city was once known as Yerba Buena?
Answer: San Francisco

Trivia Masters! OldManFan, valMichael, Maverick!

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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Jan 24 19:12:58 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]

Zoom through

Some pretty nifty Buffy sculpts.

Kinda makes me wanna slaughter a bunch of bodies (I got a rotary tool for Christmas!) and see what I could create.

But first I need to see if my epoxy is still good. Then I'd need bodies. And...ya know...sculpting ability.

Sigh.

Zoom, zoom

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Maverick says:
(Tue Jan 24 18:52:21 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl: Yes, Yerba Buena was not macho enough (kind of sissy, actually) so they named it after the earthquake and called it San Francisco.

DaddyCatALSO: How about Huygens, after Chrisiaan Huygens, the Dutch astronomer and mathematician?

DaddyCatALSO, lostinamerica: Speaking of the Aurora Boreanaz, we're in for some dramatic Auroras. See the little map off to the left.

Anyone else love "Jane Eyre"? I watched the Mia Wasikowska version last night and was entranced. If you've never seen "In Treatment" you need to watch it for the great acting including Wasikowska as a young gymnast. She's in Season One.

Yay, Neonate, Yay!

Maverick

What Is Love?

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 18:51:11 2012 71.56.119.197) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jan 24 18:52:00 2012

Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

"...One of those factors of self-styled human nature which leads any intelligent child to learn to just shut up about whatever means anything to them, leading inevitably to yet another generation of adults who don't communicate except in lies and produces a world of constant violence and cheating..." - Yourself on Choices

1. Choose one of your verses

2. Insert

Intelligent child seeks ????

3. Add impossible odds

4. Join the Bronze February Short Story Challenge

*g*

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 18:07:51 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

lostinamerica When you mention NOrwegian, I have to say Uff Da!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jan 24 17:54:46 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]

lostinamerica Yes, I always took it ot be "Slavic-of-some-kind" and found out it was Italian the same way you did,a couple years ago. I just assumed everyone else was ahead of me :-).
Yes, as a teenager I read a good bit of occult books (Churchward, for example) and know about the "genuine Oirish." I also spent a lot of time reading encyclopedia articles and know about the Vikings and Iteland. The Norse settled extensively butwere eventually fairly well absorbed and, while there are deifnitely names in Ireland that go back to Viking roots, there isn't naythign recongizable as modern Danish or Norwegian. Heck, a lot of the Norman and other medieval English names have morphed into distincitvely Irish versions, along with names gfoing extinct in Britain and France; I don't think "Fitzgerald" is found except as Irish.
One reason why, despite my interest in it, I've never really tried to trace my roots is because the fmaily name of my grreat-grandfather on my paternal grandfather's side has been lost. Apprenlty he was such a lousy specimen that when they were divorced, my great-grnadmother not only took back her maiden name, she was able to change my grandftaher's name, too.
My paternal grandmother's maiden name is apparently extinct; I've web-searched both the orignal spelling "Haingia" and the more adapted "Hengue" and found nobody with those surnames on record anywhere.

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Jan 24 16:21:25 2012 69.137.69.164) [Edit/Delete]

DaddyCatALSO--To tell you the truth, I never really thought about David's ethnicity. If I had to guess I would say his surname's Slavic, but then I Googled and its Northern Italian. Though just because a family hails from there doesn't mean that's where they started from--my husband's family on his father's side is Irish, but by way of England. I didn't realize this, but when we went to Ireland I found out there's only a few true Irish surnames, and only if you have one of those are you truly Irish. Otherwise you're really of Scottish, or Norman, or English descent (there's probably some Welsh in there too, then I also found out the Vikings liked to raid the hell out of the Irish monasteries back in the day, so there's that--I wonder if any of those families stayed over the centuries and there's people with Norwegian surnames still around? Did they even have what we consider surnames back then?).

Yay! neonate!

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valMichael says:
(Tue Jan 24 16:21:05 2012 98.201.51.55) [Edit/Delete]

Happy Birthday: Brookelberry, Stephanie Romanov, Esther, Mouse, and Will!

YAY neonate!

Trivia Girl San Fransicso

I can just hear Tony Bennent singing:
I left my heart, in Yebra Beuna,
high on a hill it calls to me!

deadguy QOD Dawn! I'd have to have Dawnie, and Satsu.

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OldManFan says:
(Tue Jan 24 16:02:05 2012 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl - San Francisco.

OMF

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Jan 24 15:15:17 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Municipal Pursuits

Category: Cities
Question: What famous city was once known as Yerba Buena?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 14:21:34 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

KAM Faith the Vampire Slayer. That would be such a different show. I think it would look more like Angel, than Buffy.

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Jan 24 14:03:43 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

TODAY is Tuesday, January 24th 2012 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

Brookelberry
Esther
Stephanie Romanov as Lilah Morgan
Mouse (LilStarr2)
Will

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Brookelberry, Stephanie Romanov, Esther, Mouse, Will!

My work's illegal, but at least it's honest.Mal, 'Shindig'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 13:55:19 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

deadguy qod I think Giles. He offers the most potential. I can seen him leading another scooby-like gang.

Yay neonate! I must email him about his yay day.

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KAM says:
(Tue Jan 24 13:44:43 2012 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]

Good Morning Everyone,

YAY NEONATE

Deadguy QOD: It would have been Wesley, but he's dead so...Faith.

KAM
Ty King Fan

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Jan 24 13:30:52 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard That's always been my handicap. I have an imagination which sticks in world-building, and once I've constructed one, I go to the next one. So, I've goen from New Earth to Perpendis 2 to the Planet of Animals to the World of Many Greenlands etc.

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Jan 24 13:06:05 2012 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]

let's hear a great big bronze cheer for neonate

yay neonate!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

whedon central casting - sometimes our bit parts last for years

if you were tasked with creating a non-buffy series set in the buffyverse, which character from btvs would you most want to include?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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ShadowQuest says:
(Tue Jan 24 05:27:16 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]

Zoom through

Hey, Beldin! You'll never guess what my ~~current~~latest project is!

Bellatrix LeStrange's Death Eater mask.

And maybe eventually her costume.

The WitchKing armor is currently on the back burner, as I had some issues with the helm, and I have a feeling working with papier mache with a cat in the house is going to complicate things. So I thought I'd do something fairly easy. Well...in comparison, that is.

I decided to video document this project, as well as taking pictures. I'm thinking this might just end up being a "just for the fun of it" project, however, because...the mask wanted to suffocate me. As soon as I put it on it was like it stuck to my face - it was very close, and it made me sweat almost instantly. I haven't tried it on since I cut the mouth & eye holes wider, but I can't see that having too much effect.

And...I just thought of something. I was trying to use clear plastic for the bars over the mouth, and wondering how I'd get them to curve the way I wanted. And then it hit me - I can use my old stand-by, paper plates. The "ridges" might even been the right length & width.

So...I'll try that soon as the pictures finish uploading, so I have room on my memory card.

Of course, if I didn't have three videos of Arwen attacking her paper bag, I'd have more room. :-)

Ahh, cat ownership. I forgot how much fun (and exasperating!) it can be.

Zoom, zoom

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white wings says:
(Tue Jan 24 05:12:25 2012 66.68.132.224) [Edit/Delete]

Yay Beldin!

Happy Birthday Andy, Colette, binkyboo, devilbabe, Psychochica23, Rutger Hauer, steph, and VampSlayer!

DaddyCatALSO, lostinamerica - The truth is an absolute defense. One has only to show the picture. *g*

ShadowQuest - I do feel guilt over the Buffy Rewatch. But I've enjoyed reading the comments, and sometimes I do pull out the DVDs.

Beldin - {{healing vibes}}

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 04:58:31 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

Data needed depends on the model one uses which in turn depends, in part, on how one sees the world. The writer of the article is saying the conventional macroeconomic models are not good enough.

Inflation can help debtors, to the extent the can pay-off their debt with cheaper currency. Here's an example ...

Imagine I owe $10,000 and I'm making $20,000/year. Assume inflation increases and my wages go up in tandem with inflation to $25,000/year. My debt hasn't changed, but I'm making more money. Usually inflation helps debtors and hurts creditors and savers. OTOH, while my income may go up, so might the prices on other things I've purchased.

Also, if people have cut their spending, then signs of inflation might prod them into buying stuff before the stuff gets more expensive.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 04:24:07 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard I've heard of efforts to negotiate forgiveness of loans to African countries.

Im not sure what Whip Up Inflation now means. Isn't inflation usually something to be avoided?

Get Better Data seems so obvious, but it is trickier than it sounds.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 03:27:34 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

I'm reading a special report in Foreign Policy titled "13 Out-of-the-Tinderbox Ways to Save the Global Economy." Each 'way' is an article written by a different person. So far I've read five of the ways. Four are standard ways taken to extremes.

And here they are ...

1. "Write off the world's debt'

2. "Hire everybody'

4. "Cut defense spending"

5. "Whip up inflation Now"

Article 3 has the mundane title, "Get Better Data", but it's the most interesting one to date.

WG

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 03:04:16 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Beldin,

Usually I wait and do the day's yay before departing for the night, but just in case you may be gone by then ...

Yay Beldin!!

that is all

WG

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Beldin says:
(Tue Jan 24 02:57:30 2012 209.34.45.242) [Edit/Delete]

Drive-by.

Not feeling well today so the yay is very much of the good. Thank you YayOfTheDay, KAM, valMichael, Christopher Marlowe, lostinamerica and Maverick!

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 02:50:30 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Jan 24 03:09:08 2012

wolfguard Hah!! My google-fu works once again. The show I was thinking of was a BBC comedy called 'Bless Me, Father', about a young priest assigned to assist an eccentric parish priest.

ETA

wolfguard Thank you, I gathered it had something to do with geology, but I couldn't quite understand.

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 02:48:42 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

They are geological terms. Subduction is what happens when one tectonic plate dips down and slides under another, such as what happens, more or less, along the west coast of North and South America. Such subduction zones are the sites of mountain-building, witness the Rockies, Andes and other western ranges.

I believe 'orogeny' refers to mountains or mountain building, so in context the phrase means ...

plate collisions lead to mountain building

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 02:32:09 2012 24.111.151.108) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Just as well. *g*

Normally I don't need to use google to understand a bumper sticker, but today I saw one

"Subduction leads to Orogeny. "

I have yet to google, fearing the answer. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 02:25:26 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

Names I made up for the characters. *g*

DaddyCatALSO,

I've been reading on the 'verse of The Game of Thrones. George R.R. Martin, the author, appears to have gone to great effort to create this world, but it comes across very much as a medieval world, albeit uber-detailed medieval world.¹ One of the folks involved in the television series of the books describes the series as ~ middle earth meets The Sopranos.

I think that's more telling than humorous. What makes a story is not the verse so much as the characters. An interesting verse can draw readers or viewers to take a look, but what usually holds them are great characters in conflict.

'Usually', because one critic claims young people can become fascinated simply in learning the rules of a fictional verse, provided the rules are interesting. The critic thinks this has something to do with young people having to learn the rules of their own real world.

¹ There are a number of great Houses. GRRM (the abbreviation used for the author) has created a sigil, motto and backstory for each House.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 01:20:44 2012 208.107.142.76) [Edit/Delete]

wolfguard Is that the name of the characters or the actors? *g

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Jan 24 00:56:57 2012 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]

Christopher Marlowe,

...a young one and an old one...

Peter Zest & Augustine Hope

It's true!

DaddyCatALSO,

So not to be influenced, I put off reading others' post on each episode till I watch and write mine. But, since I procrastinate ... *g*

I'll try to do better.

WG

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Jan 24 00:24:28 2012 208.107.142.76) [Edit/Delete]

Maverick I have never watched Father Ted, I do recall watching a funny series about another couple of priests, a young one and an old one. But I don't remember the name of it for the life of me.

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Maverick says:
(Mon Jan 23 22:57:56 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Big Winter Space Storm (with Auroras and the possibility of some electrical outages) but not the feared EMP Pulse Storm. Read about it Here and see dramatic picture of Aurora, etc.".

I watched the Final Season Three of "Father Ted." Hilarious. It's impossible for me, in this country, with our experience of U.S. TV to describe how funny this is. They really poke fun at Irish Catholic clergy.

Maverick

Read my Fanfic and/or link to old, archived pages of the Original Bronze (and/or TV James's Ultimate TV Buffy Board [which started it all]) at Maverick's Home Page

Standing Still

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 23 22:13:14 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

tea time is going to be coffee, plain and simple.

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jan 23 22:10:06 2012 72.37.171.140) [Edit/Delete]

lostinamerica "many times between the three of you (and others, on occasion), all salient points have been covered" (buffs nails on shirt, looks smug)

Seriously, did you know David was Italian-American?

ShadowQuest True, but considering their absence, I don't rememeber their names :-).
I understand your feelings; time was, during the FX days, I couldn't really watch the ending of those. And I appreciate being a purist and wanting to do the whole thing proper-like, but it didn't mean you couldn't've jumped back in when an interesting-for-you one was coming around.

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ShadowQuest says:
(Mon Jan 23 21:11:15 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jan 23 21:17:36 2012

Weary stumble-through

Snow's pretty. Except when it's four inches deep in your driveway. And loaded up at the end thanks to the plow. Then...not so much.

DaddyCatALSO I know. Because I fell behind. I couldn't make myself watch "Surprise/Innocence" because at that time I really didn't need extra depressing, and I just never got around to finishing Season Two. And now we're done with Three.

But I was commenting right along from the start. Like the observation I made about the reflection on Giles' glasses in "The Harvest" when he looks up from the book - the lamp reflects directly over his eyes, giving them a vampiric appearance.

I could spend this week off from work (Well, ok, not technically off - I do work Wednesday from noon-7) doing a Buffy marathon & get all caught up.

But I'm not the only one who dropped out. What happened to all those former Bronzers who came flocking in after we made the announcement last year, saying this was "a fantastic idea!" and wanting to get back in touch with "the old gang"? What happened to all our semi-regulars who were watching & posting? What happened?

Now, I'm going to go thaw out while I have some peanuts & snuggle with Arwen, then I'm going to take a shower, and then I just might do that Buffy marathon. Not like I have anything else better to do with my time between now & the new episode of Castle tonight at nine. Well, except finish that custom for next month's show.

Zoom, zoom

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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Jan 23 21:07:09 2012 69.137.69.164) [Edit/Delete]

DaddyCatALSO, ChristopherMalowe, wolfguard--I try to comment when I have something to say, but many times between the three of you (and others, on occasion), all salient points have been covered. I love reading all the comments, however, because it brings back to mind episodes and scenes I really enjoyed watching.

Leather Jacket--Actually, the NFC and AFC championship games were very entertaining--now if only the Super Bowl ends up that way!

DaddyCatALSO--Oh, but I insulted not only Italian but hip-hop Americans--yay me!

Happy Birthday VampSlayer!

Yay! Beldin!

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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Jan 23 20:21:34 2012 216.157.229.196) [Edit/Delete]

Sorry if I'm being snarky or boojummy on this, it's not meant to be, I know it's my stuff coming out in this.

ShadowQuest It might be churlish to point this out but you've really never commented on them.

wolfguard Christopher Marlowe Yes, and we seldom address each other in connection with it.

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wolfguard says:
(Mon Jan 23 19:27:35 2012 71.56.119.197) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Jan 23 19:29:21 2012

Drive-By

DaddyCatALSO,

Only three people have been posting regularly on the 'Great Buffy Rewatch' - you, me and Christopher Marlowe.¹ You have tended to post on or near the Tuesday and I've tended to post just before the next Tuesday - i.e. I procrastinate. *g*

I think the count may have gotten confused because of this - or it might be some of the two-episode stories being counted as one (Surprise/Innocence, Becoming 1 & 2) or some arcs being treated as one long episode (Bad Girls to Enemies?).

¹ Now and then, some others post, sometimes in response to what's been posted.

WG

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Jan 23 19:26:05 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Sunnydale's Geographical Pursuits

Category: US
Question: What makes up the area known as Texarkana?

Trivia Texans: valMichael, Maverick
Trivia ARkanas: Leather Jacket

Thanks guys!

ShadowQuest Would you like to discuss Graduation Day 1 and 2? I would love to hear what you think of the episodes.

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ShadowQuest says:
(Mon Jan 23 19:06:11 2012 74.33.117.214) [Edit/Delete]

Zoom through

So. It appears as if interest in The Great Buffy Rewatch has waned.

Are people too busy with their offline lives? Are there simply too many current television shows that folks can't find time for an episode of a show no longer airing? Have we discussed every single episode so much over the years that we aren't finding anything new to say about them?

What can we do to get things going again? Should we perhaps have a weekly trivia question related to the episode? (For instance, the question I asked a while ago: "This insane vampire played a monster of a different sort in a two-part 'Highway to Heaven' episode." Jeff Kober; the episode was called "Monster")

cc: DaddyCatALSO, Christopher Marlowe, OldManFan, Beldin, wolfguard, lostinamerica

Well, Mother Nature dumped another four inches of that white stuff on us overnight, on top of the two inches of ice from the freezing drizzle/fog last night, so I'd best suit up and go find the end of my driveway.

Yay.

Zoom, zoom

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Maverick says:
(Mon Jan 23 19:04:10 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Leather Jacket: We can't have that! Link to ABC's Episode Re-Watch (for OUAT) and Link to ABC's Episode Re-Watch (for Pan Am)

Maverick

Ooh, Baby, Baby. Sing it, Smokey,

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Maverick says:
(Mon Jan 23 18:29:08 2012 66.184.47.113) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl: "The Town That Dreaded Sundown" (Texarkana, Texas) and its twin city of Texarkana, Arkansas, and environs. I would recommend the movie; it has its own cachet. Although the movie has many faults, it still can get really creepy at times. Ben Johnson (one of his best roles) and Andrew Prine (never got that breakthrough role but is good here) and Dawn Wells (Mary Ann on "Gilligan's Island".) Also Charles B. Pierce.

Happy Birthday, notsoShyGirl

Yay, Beldin, Yay!

Yay, We're a Third of the Way through the Winter Already.

Happy Birthday, Rutger Hauer

I used to think Aidan Quinn looked an awful lot like Rutger Hauer. Anyone else see this?

Maverick

La La Means I Love You

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Jan 23 18:02:14 2012 205.141.66.16) [Edit/Delete]

Yay Beldin!

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Leather Jacket says:
(Mon Jan 23 17:04:49 2012 72.94.16.232) [Edit/Delete]

Trivia Girl : Texarkana is this archane region of Florida where everyone is named Tex.

valMichael : I'm pretty certain I've heard "fairly sure" before.

Christopher Marlowe, lostinamerica : There's plenty of counter-programming to the Superbowl. My favorite (despite that I actually watch the Superbowl) is DIY Network's Toilet Bowl: a marathon of Bath Crashers last year.
Of course, there is no escaping Superbowl hype.

Missed Once Upon A Time and Pan Am last night because I had to work and ~~had no time to~~ neglected to set the DVR. Caught OUT on On Demand, but it was extremely bad quality. I think I should wait until the storms pass before I try again.

Yay, HumVee, Yay!

Happy Birthday, Stephanie Romanov

Happy Birthday, Charity aka Taygeta

TODAY is FRIDAY, January 27th 2012 C.E.We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!Bubble's DadBuffyFan87NoveauxShadowSlayerVeRyVaMpYGiRLy

TODAY is Thursday, January 26th 2012 C.E.We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!AmberEssJaylil'WiseNo1BuffyFan

TODAY is Wednesday, January 25th 2012 C.E.We have THREE (3) Birthdays!AliGatorCharity aka TaygetaCharlesS

Yay, Neonate, Yay!

TODAY is Tuesday, January 24th 2012 C.E.We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!BrookelberryEstherStephanie Romanov as Lilah MorganMouse (LilStarr2)Will

Happy Birthday, notsoShyGirl

Yay, Beldin, Yay!

Happy Birthday, Rutger Hauer

TODAY is FRIDAY, January 27th 2012 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

Bubble's Dad
BuffyFan87
Noveaux
ShadowSlayer
VeRyVaMpYGiRLy

TODAY is Thursday, January 26th 2012 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!

Amber
EssJay
lil'Wise
No1BuffyFan

TODAY is Wednesday, January 25th 2012 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!

AliGator
Charity aka Taygeta
CharlesS

TODAY is Tuesday, January 24th 2012 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

Brookelberry
Esther
Stephanie Romanov as Lilah Morgan
Mouse (LilStarr2)
Will