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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 21 16:36:42 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Riverbottom, USA.

Home of the Riverbottom Nightmare Band.

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 21 15:29:53 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday little wiggins!

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Nov 21 14:45:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Monday morning. OR... Death
Valley, at 279 feet below sea

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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Nov 21 13:42:53 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Geography
Question: What is the lowest point in the US?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Nov 21 13:39:05 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Deadguy Memorial Question: I actually think Buffy became interested in cooking for a hobby. In my mind, after Pangs she realized, to her surprise, that she actually enjoyed it and now likes to cook at home whenever her duties allow.

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 21 13:18:24 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay kronos!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

I can't see any of the scoobies being into cooking. Pangs probably turned them off for life.

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Nov 21 13:12:28 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today Wednesday, November 21st 2018 C.E.

We have FIVE (5) Birthdays!

little wiggins

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Buttercup, Callista, Jade, JoJo, little wiggins!

I had a whole section about civic pride. Mayor, 'Graduation Day (2)''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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lostinamerica says:
(Wed Nov 21 12:09:11 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--I'm sure we're worrying too much *she says as she orders her
groceries online from Whole Foods/Amazon, starts her Xmas shopping on Amazon and
her husband gets ready to apply for work at the new Operations Center of
Excellence in Nashville (really, who thinks of these names?)*

I did notice Bezos conveniently made a $100 million contribution to homelessness
less than a week after it was reported the new HQ2 would disrupt plans for low-
income housing in the area--I'm sure it's just a coincidence ;)

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Wed Nov 21 11:33:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for kronos!

yay kronos!

today's deadguy memorial angel wednesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale culinary institute

which of the scoobies has turned out to be the best cook?

Happy Non-Angel Wednesday!

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white wings says:
(Wed Nov 21 05:47:26 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Congratulations! Does this mean that you have a
moment to put your feet up?

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Nov 21 03:37:22 2018 [Edit/Delete]
finally home and done with events for the rest of the year.

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white wings says:
(Wed Nov 21 03:12:44 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Adri!

Happy Birthday AmyC, chainsaw man, Freaking_Amazing_Witch, Irene Adler, Lady Jen, and Nightspirit!

lostinamerica - Thank you! The day was quiet. I went to work. No one is left who remembers my birthday, but since it was a long time ago, it didn't bother me at all. ;-) I am now finishing up cooking some giblets and will probably make pies in a little while. Tomorrow my brother will be come up - he and I share a birthday - and at some point over the weekend we will get together with a cake and presents.

DaddyCatALSO - I don't think I did say that. I don't remember it. I think you may be confusing me with someone else.

I have no particular comment about SMG's proposed Thanksgiving discipline techniques. Whatever works for her or others is fine with me. *g*

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wolfguard says:
(Tue Nov 20 19:19:04 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 20 19:20:47 2018

...One even asked if it would be strange if she also posted SMG's
all over her house...


You need to be careful posting such thoughts on Amazon, et. al., 'cause if
you read the "terms & conditions" by buying stuff using their platform you
have agreed not to bad-mouth them on the penalty of having your purchase
history passed on to TPTB. *g*

Seriously, my first personal principle for keeping a good society is to keep
power from being centralized.

ETA private or public institutions


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Agent Cooper says:
(Tue Nov 20 19:16:37 2018 [Edit/Delete]
A sticky note on the fridge probably would have been sufficient. And a lot less work.

"Note to self. Ease up on the Pumpkin Pie. XXX OOO "

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Nov 20 19:12:36 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Oh, and Happy Birthday white
missed that! What do you
have planned for today?

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Nov 20 18:33:43 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Comma--I agree--lighten up!
Maybe she was just trying to be

The pressure women put themselves
under, jeez :(

Happy Birthday Irene Adler!

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Comma says:
(Tue Nov 20 16:17:02 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Tue Nov 20 16:27:09 2018
SMG posted a series of revealing throwback photos to her Instagram Monday showing her wearing black lingerie, accompanied by the caption, "Im just going to pin these up all over my house as a reminder not to overeat on Thursday."

Some fans are going nuts over her post. They have told her to lighten up and enjoy the holiday. Stars, whom have posted, 100% support her. One even asked if it would be strange if she also posted SMG's pictures all over her house.


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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Tue Nov 20 15:32:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
white wings "We're never going to be able to save other species either." What makes you say that?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Tue Nov 20 13:41:28 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today Tuesday, November 20th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

chainsaw man
Irene Adler
Lady Jen

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to cushyAmyC, chainsaw man, Freaking_Amazing_Witch, Irene Adler, Lady Jen, Nightspirit, whitewings!

That's one spunky little girl you've raised. I'm gonna eat her. The Mayor, 'Graduation Day (1)''

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Tue Nov 20 13:35:27 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay adri!

deadguy qod

I don't expect the gang to be as tight as they were during the show. It is a bigger world out there after the fall of Sunnydale!

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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lostinamerica says:
(Tue Nov 20 12:59:32 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Adri!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Tue Nov 20 12:44:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for adri

yay adri!

today's deadguy memorial buffy tuesday question is brought to you by:

the sunnydale travel bureau

how often are the original scoobies together these days?

Happy Non-Buffy Tuesday!

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white wings says:
(Tue Nov 20 04:59:54 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Yay Aramina!

Happy Birthday appllo, BornJudy, Corpelia, Dru, LadyJack, and Little Miss Naughty!

I have nothing to say except that procrastination in starting Thanksgiving prep is probably not smart. I suppose that it induces the panic that spurs the adrenaline rush that eventually gets the food to the table. But I have turkey necks and (maybe) giblets done (I think). I'd better check the giblets.

I will sleep easier knowing what a Brannock device is.

Agent Cooper - I'm sure it's purest coincidence that I've been watching ST:DS9 reruns recently. I also watched the Doomsday Machine episode of ST:TOS. Oh my, things have changed. But those shows do put dilithium crystals on the mind. *g*

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 20 02:35:07 2018 [Edit/Delete]
19 13:43:21 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Technology
Question: What would you do with a Brannock device?
Answer: measure feet

I may have posted this question before. *g*

Trivia Fleet of Foot: NotsoShyGirl
Trivia Flat-footed: Agent Cooper, wolfguard!

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Trivia Girl says:
(Tue Nov 20 02:24:27 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia answer coming up! Trivia Girl attended a trivial board meeting that turned not to be trivial at all!

it was quite the mess.

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wolfguard says:
(Mon Nov 19 19:23:16 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl,

It's a device used by landing party members to set their boots for the
specific gravity of a planet or moon. It's true! *g*


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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Nov 19 16:47:10 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Using a Brannock Device, you can measure exactly how many parsecs your starship is from the nearest Dilithium Crystal Replenishment Station.

It will also send a universal distress signal if you do not have enough crystals left to make it to the nearest station.

But this is...inadvisable.

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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Nov 19 14:40:30 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Measure feet

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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Nov 19 13:43:21 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Technology
Question: What would you do with a Brannock device?

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Nov 19 13:20:20 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today Monday, November 18th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!

Little Miss Naughty

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to appllo, BornJudy, Corpelia, Dru, LadyJack, Little Miss Naughty

This is so nice. Having everyone together for my birthday. Of course, you could smash in all my toes with a hammer and it will still be the bestest Buffy Birthday Bash in a big long while. Buffy, 'A New Man'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Nov 19 13:09:50 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay aramina!

Goodbye Blue Monday!

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lostinamerica says:
(Mon Nov 19 12:54:59 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--Amazon is on the
way to owning us all :( Finally,
someone is looking at them, as
European regulators are checking
to see if any antitrust activity
is involved in their online
merchandising. And the way their
pay scale drives up real estate
prices when they move into area,
which not only makes everyone else
pay more but forces out those who
can't afford to--we already
have an affordable housing problem
here, and when I see the new
Amazon HQ2 is displacing plans for
low-income housing in its new
location I don't have much hope
for our needs.

I also try to avoid Walmart for a
similar reason, how they took over
small-town America with their
megastores--people say, "Oh, but
they have competition, Target,
KMart, etc.," but not in rural
areas, I've seen it.

Yay! Aramina!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Nov 19 12:02:50 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for aramina!

yay aramina!

Goodbye Blue Monday!

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white wings says:
(Mon Nov 19 05:44:00 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Happy Birthday Emerald, Miss Rellie, SarahNicole, and Willow's Acolyte!

Global warming brought winter to me, generally bypassing fall. Of course in the absence of a front (courtesy of Christopher Marlowe or possibly lostinamerica), winter generally consists of highs in the low 50s, occasionally with rain. It is possible that I won't gain a great deal of sympathy for it. *g*

I did, however, see a shooting star last night before the clouds completely moved in. Only one. I went out late and the clouds moved fast.

Agent Cooper - Sun? Don't be silly. Where would we get one of those? ;-)

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Nov 18 23:44:09 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Hey, how did your Sunday go?

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Agent Cooper says:
(Sun Nov 18 17:53:27 2018 [Edit/Delete]
"If only there were some external factor that could account for the variations in global temperature. Such a hypothetical external factor would have to be extremely large, though -- on the order of magnitude of our own Sun."

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Nov 18 17:13:40 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today Sunday November 18th 2018 C.E.

We have SIX (6) Birthdays!

Elizabeth Anne Allen as the rat & witch, Amy Madison
Miss Rellie
Willow's Acolyte

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to dob, Elizabeth Anne Allen as the rat & witch, Amy Madison, Emerald, Miss Rellie, SarahNicole, Willow's Acolyte!

I am not...I am not the damsel in distress. I am not some case. I have to work this. I've lived in a cave for 5 years in a world where they killed my kind like cattle. I am not going to be cut down by some monster flu. I am better than that. What a very scared I am. Fred, 'A Hole in the World'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 18 07:29:09 2018 [Edit/Delete]

I'm going to reply to your points in the order presented:

(1) I was not comparing CO2 and cyanide in terms of toxicity. You believe,
wrongly, that the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is so dwarfed by the
amounts of nitrogen, oxygen, and water vapor that it cannot be a major
factor in the greenhouse effect. This is not an uncommon line of reasoning
for folks who have forgotten or not learned their chemistry.

Consider a person who accidentally swallows a wad of gum. Unless the gum
gets stuck and completely blocks the windpipe, the person will likely
survive the incident. OTOH, ingesting 1-3 mg of cyanide will kill you. Now
I've looked up the weight of a stick of gum and one search result said 1.9
grams. Round that up to 2 grams. There are 1,000 mg in 1 gram. So an average
stick of gum weighs 2,000 times as much as the 1 mg lethal dose of cyanide.

Relative amounts can be important, but the chemical processes in a given
system have to be considered and they often are more important in the
behavior of the system.


(2) I was not referencing those human vital signs to make a point on heat,
but to make a point on range and sensitivity. As I recall, you work or have
worked in accounting/finance. Have you ever conducted sensitivity analysis
with respect to business operations?

(3) You're use of the sports stadium analysis is a manifestation of the same
mistaken reasoning explored in #1 above. The climate scientist's use in the
lecture was spot on.

(4) Of course I remember Monte Hieb: You posted his work a year or so ago. I
read it. I replied noting three or four flaws in his reasoning, though I
wrote of them as they would be understood by someone with some fluency in
earth science. Your replies at the time did not speak to these concepts, but
kept referring back to Hieb's article which lead me to believe you're basing
your 'reasoning' on his reasoning rather than on applying your knowledge of
earth science. This is also a common response from people who read some
articles, but don't really have a handle on the subject the article

Let's return again to Hieb. He notes water vapor is the major greenhouse gas
in the atmosphere. Absolutely true and every introductory meteorology or
climate science class teaches this fact. Hieb reasons because there's so
much more water vapor than CO2, that the CO2 is irrelevant to global
warming. And Hieb is wrong and he's wrong because he's not thinking of the
atmosphere as a system with stocks and flows. He's missed the history.

I went in more detail on this a year or so ago when first replying to Hieb's
article. And I did not elaborate, because I wanted to see if you could
figure it out for yourself, if only to argue against the results. But you've

So I'll give you a hint: What's the difference between the total amount of
water vapor and the total amount of atmospheric CO2 in AD 1600 and the total
amount of water vapor and atmospheric CO2 in 2018?

1 Excepting human-made substances, everything on Earth is natural
so saying something pollutes the environment is expressing a value
judgement. Plastic residue in the ocean will kill or injure sea life, but
the Earth doesn't care. Over time, some sea life will likely adapt to make
use of the plastics - and the Earth won't care. People care - or do not.
Some people like wolves, some do not. Once people took pride in smokestacks,
now most do not. Some people will swim in a polluted Ganges, some will not.

Essentially, pollution is a social issue. Arguing that CO2 is not creating a
problem because it's natural is trite. It's so stupid that one wonders
whether it's an attempt at distraction. Then maybe again it's just


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wolfguard says:
(Sun Nov 18 05:59:59 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Here now *g*




What's the principle behind your decision to minimize your use of Amazon?


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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Nov 17 15:15:35 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today Saturday, November 17th 2018 C.E.

We have SEVEN (7) Birthdays!

Vanessa's Hubby

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to Divaliving, Dukessa, Masquerade, Miskatonic, Pam, Vanessa's Hubby, Wolvie!

When you look back at this, in the three seconds it'll take you to turn to dust, I think you'll find the mistake was touching my stuff. Buffy, 'The Freshman'

to be added to the birthday list, please email

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lostinamerica says:
(Sat Nov 17 13:25:26 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper--Qu'est-ce que c'est, "Climatron?" Are you in one
of the areas that received more snow than predicted?

*That was fun, wasn't it Boris, some of them were stuck in their
cars for HOURS :)*

wolfguard--This is the one Sarah was wearing, it's on Amazon:

Except it's on Amazon, which I try to use as little as possible on principle, and
now less than ever since we're getting a dreaded "enrichment" center that my
oldest daughter noted will only be enriching their pockets and the new HQ2 in
Long Island will be disrupting plans for affordable housing there :(

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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 17 09:14:13 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard: Okay, I said "pollution" to head off your cyanide comparison. I maybe should have said "non toxic." CO2 is not the same as cyanide. You can breathe in CO2 mixed with oxygen and it just makes you yawn. Only if you don't get ANY oxygen because of ONLY CO2 are you in any trouble. (I don't know if you could suffocate a plant by giving it only pure oxygen and nothing else. Probably.) Maybe carbon monoxide CO is more like cyanide. Or maybe ozone O3.

I don't understand why you listed Vital Signs. With CO2, we're only talking heat, right?

Finally, your mixing of players with crowd, and saying they're more significant as a greenhouse gas is all mixed up. CO2 is a trace gas. Remember Monte Heib? Monte Heib's Global Warming, a Closer Look at the Numbers. Some of the "other" molecules will absorb more heat than others (Methane and Nitrous Oxide, for instance.) The football stadium analogy, however, is just a way to get a mental handle on the proportional concentrations of CO2. Adding the team player thingy is just bogus.

In the meantime, have a look at Dr. Tony Phillips' (of NASA) sunspot analysis. Funny how the Sun seems to always get left out of the Global Warming arguments.


Please Don't Me Be Misunderstood

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 17 04:22:45 2018 [Edit/Delete]

I've never said CO2 was a pollutant. Off your other points ...

Some Human Vital Signs

- Pulse

- Blood Pressure

- Temperature

What's too much? What's too little?

Small Amounts

- How much cyanide is too much? What is a lethal dose's weight relative to
total body weight?

- Here I could list a number of other poisons, but will put it off for now.

Off your sport stadium analogy, just the other night I listened to a
meteorologist make the same analogy, i.e. the crowd in the stadium
representing all the nitrogen and oxygen molecules in the atmosphere and the
team players representing CO2. And which had the most impact on the system?
The CO2 molecules represented by the players.


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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 17 03:47:29 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Nov 17 03:58:21 2018
Wolfguard: Oh, I remember your three beliefs. However, CO2 is not pollution. It is necessary for human and plant life. Also, the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is so low that if you (I have) went to a football game in Michigan Stadium where the seating capacity is 100,000 and they were all molecules of air, CO2 would only be 40 of them. (Methinks humidity would further dilute this.) AND only maybe 10 of the 40 can be attributed to man-made fuel burning--the rest are natural sources of CO2 such as you and I. There are MANY other sources of warming such as widespread paving over grass AND those related to the Sun (and sunspots) on the link I just provided.


Wild Horses

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Maverick says:
(Sat Nov 17 03:30:12 2018 [Edit/Delete]
R. I. P. William Goldman, Screenwriter

Christopher Marlowe: Michigan. Election went badly. They elected Gretchen Whitmer Governor. Whitmer was formerly in the Michigan House and in the Michigan Senate. She ran on the statement "Fix the damn roads." The Republican guy, Bill Schuette, who ran against her was the former Attorney General. He had had two big deals during his tenure: the Flint (tainted) water fiasco and the Dr. Larry Nassar (of Michigan State University) who was convicted of molesting gymnists while he gave them treatments for injuries. Schuette was somber and plodding; Whitmer was attractive and vivacious. I hope she fixes the roads but I fear her other priorities are out of line for Michigan. Michigan has benefited from the Trump economy (jobs coming back) AND they finally have a pretty smart mayor in Detroit. I believe Michigan will slip back to old habits and fritter away assets and opportunities.


A Whiter Shade of Pale

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wolfguard says:
(Sat Nov 17 02:28:08 2018 [Edit/Delete]

I will take a look at it. However, remember my position on anthropogenic
global warming (AGW) is based on three basic science facts and one
historical fact ...

The Three Science Facts

(1) The Greenhouse Effect is real.

(2) Carbon Dioxide is a greenhouse gas.1

(3) One of the by-products of burning fossil fuels is carbon dioxide.

The Historical Fact

The industrial revolution / evolution has been powered by fossil fuels and
this use has accelerated over this period. The more fossil fuels burned, the
more CO2 produced, the greater the amount of heat trapped through the
Greenhouse effect. It's fundamentally true.

Is the world warming, i.e. the average global temperature rising? A number
of plant and animal species have changed their seasonal migration ranges
reflecting shorter winters and longer summers. And of course, the decreasing
summer Arctic ice pack.

The world is warming. It's warming = in small or large part - due to human
consumption of fossil fuels. If you think that's debatable, you're denying
reality. OTOH, there are issues derived from AGW that are worthy of debate.

1 Chanting "Water Vapor! Water Vapor!" tells me the chanter isn't
thinking through the system.


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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Nov 17 01:23:13 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Not sure which state you are in, but how did elections go there?

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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 16 23:24:43 2018 [Edit/Delete]

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 16 22:51:07 2018 [Edit/Delete]
home early for once!

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 16 20:55:42 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Wonder if that damn cat they keep singing about is De-Clawed.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 16 17:09:33 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Year of the cat.

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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Nov 16 14:10:55 2018 [Edit/Delete]
I wonder if you could De-Clone someone. Like Xander. He got De-Cloned.

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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Nov 16 13:23:17 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Today Friday November 16th 2018 C.E.

We have ELEVEN (11) Birthdays!

Dru da Hanson Slayer
Dru Hill
Fanged Eddie
Luc the Big Pile of Dust

Happy Birthday from the Bronze, to BLuCaSBaBe2000, Dru da Hanson Slayer
Dru Hill, Fanged Eddie, leanne, Luc the Big Pile of Dust, mairin, niamh, sera, Thirdcross, YesPlease!

Seems like everyone's got a tale to tell. Mal, 'Safe''

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 16 13:11:07 2018 [Edit/Delete]
yay myst!

Happy Thank Joss It's Frida as well as Friday!

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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Nov 16 12:47:13 2018 [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for myst!

yay myst!

Happy Thank Joss It's Friday!

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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Nov 16 11:32:48 2018 [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard--Boy, did you see the artwork on some of those t-shirts,
yeesh ;)

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Maverick says:
(Fri Nov 16 07:12:49 2018 [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Decolonization and Defecation could be the same.

Wolfguard: The Chill of the Solar Minimum was written by Dr. Tony Phillips who presents Spaceweather on a daily basis. The link goes to the current day's information page but there is an archive query on the page that allows one to view previous day's pages and info.


You've Got It All (Over Him)

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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Nov 16 04:08:14 2018 [Edit/Delete]
apologies for the lack of postage, long shifts at work and long event-planning stuff. I will be back to abnormal right after the 20th!

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