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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Aug 31 19:30:54 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Maverick Maps and encyclopedias for a long time have included Denali and other native names next to a large number of mountains with wellknown English names.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 31 18:55:22 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Shan,

Probably too expensive to shoot. Ms. Maslany's characters are physically identical. If she were to play Buffy, Willow, Xander, Giles, ... there would probably not be enough time to do the uber-makeup. I imagine one might shoot only one character each day and then bring them together during the magic of editing or post-production, but ....

Just imagine the final fight scene in Graduation Day 2 with her doing EVERYONE. *g*


WG



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Maverick says:
(Mon Aug 31 18:34:18 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The first word of "the US Constitution" is: the.


Agent Cooper: How do you feel about Chuckie Cheesie?


R.I.P. Wayne Dyer


Obama's renaming mountains now? Surprised he didn't name it after some Muslim.


6 Times the Obama Administration said its job was to promote Islam.


Christopher Marlowe: Would it surprise you to find out the N.A.A.C.P. was founded by Republicans?


Maverick


Theme from "The Deer Hunter"




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Shan says:
(Mon Aug 31 18:21:13 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
NO, EVERYONE



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 31 18:18:04 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Shan,

LOL!

"Everyone"? What about the actor who plays Felix playing Xander? *g*

I just started watching Orphan Black this summer. Now near the end of second season/series.


WG



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Aug 31 17:31:02 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - Thursday, will send e-mail with Yay postings for a few days.

OMF



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Mon Aug 31 17:03:19 2015 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
notsoShyGirl....or..."We"



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Mon Aug 31 16:57:41 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFAn When do you head off to Dragoncon?



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OldManFan says:
(Mon Aug 31 14:49:15 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - We.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Mon Aug 31 14:38:58 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: History
Question: What is the first word of the US. Constitution?



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Mon Aug 31 14:22:09 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Deadguy Memorial Quod Barbara Steele, as Wesley's mother, anywhere, especially in Angel S-5



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Aug 31 13:09:03 2015 209.159.254.167) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Monday, August 31st, 2015 C.E.

We have TEN (10) Birthdays!



AimlessMind
Baby Meadow (Carita's and Dr. Mister Fantasy's child)
Confessor Tee
FYI
Melaka
Risa
Rose
Dr. T - valMichael's sister - R.I.P.
Whateva
Witchmum

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Aimless Mind, Baby Meadow, Cofessor Tee, FYI, Melaka, Risa, Rose, Dr. T, Whateva, Witchmum!



Just call me the computer whisperer.Willow, 'Buffy vs Dracula'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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Agent Cooper says:
(Mon Aug 31 13:05:32 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
I am against Parcheesi. And I won't stand for it in my town!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Mon Aug 31 12:55:19 2015 209.159.254.167) [Edit/Delete]
yay genevieve's lucie!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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KAM says:
(Mon Aug 31 12:44:07 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY GENEVIEVE'S LUCIE

KAM
Ty King Fan



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Mon Aug 31 11:35:04 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for genevieve's lucie!

yay genevieve's lucie!


Goodbye Blue Monday!



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Shan says:
(Mon Aug 31 06:52:58 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard

Tatiana Maslany

As everyone.

And as all things.

All shows and other media.



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ShadowQuest says:
(Mon Aug 31 06:17:06 2015 74.33.119.239) [Edit/Delete]
RIP Wes Craven.

Your Nightmares made thousands Scream.



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 31 02:40:12 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Mon Aug 31 02:47:38 2015
A Very Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

Pick an actor you would like to see inserted into the BtVS/Angel universe. Give us the show, season, brief description (at least hero/villain/martyr/love interest)?

Hilarie Burton (IMDB)

Several possible seasons ...

The following lines are from the teaser of The Freshman...


Willow: Well, you did sort of wait till the last minute with your course selection.

Buffy: Sorry, 'Miss I-chose-my-major-in-playgroup.'

Willow: That's an exaggeration. I just, you know, think it's good to be prepared. Don't want to be caught unawares.

Buffy: Well I've been busy! It's been a very slay-heavy summer.


That last line held so much promise for fanfic writers. I wrote one set in the summer between 3rd and 4th season, Spillover. It's premise came from this line in Enemies ...


Faith: ... No one can stop the Ascenscion. Mayor's got it wired, B. He built this town for demons to feed on ... And all your little lame *** friends are going to be kibbles'n'bits.


... In the story, after the Mayor's death part of his handiwork starts falling apart. This in turn was one reason the Initiative came to town. I'd like to have had Hilarie Burton play a character who came to town to either deal with the Mayor's collapsing infrastructure or be a vanguard for the Initiative.


Three other seasons ...

Sixth

- After Giles leaves town, the Council sends in watcher to actually watch over Buffy from a distance.

- After Willow goes on the wagon a once-a-witch tries to help her stay on.


Seventh,

- After Willow returns in Same Time, Same Place either a local witch or a member of the English coven try to ease Willow back into managing magick.


Eighth,

In my 'verse' there's a neo-slayer named Julie Rainbow. She is stellar, perhaps too much for Buffy to handle. I wanted a character who was not a villain, but excepting experience was Buffy's equal in talent. How would Buffy deal?




WG



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wolfguard says:
(Mon Aug 31 01:18:03 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Ebdim9th,

I've also heard of such mini-black holes. I think some folks have suggested one caused the Tunguska event in 1908.


WG



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Ebdim9th says:
(Sun Aug 30 20:08:42 2015 98.90.91.184) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Aug 30 20:24:38 2015
WG Maverick Agent Cooper as I said before there are some long reads about it out there... and I came across something else... traveling pinhead black holes... coming to a solar system hear you... they could conceivably run through the Earth or Sun with unpredictable and disastrous consequences....



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Maverick says:
(Sun Aug 30 19:54:20 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: Oh, racism DOES exist. It's just that the finger is pointed in the wrong direction. The KKK was a bunch of Democrats trying to stop anyone from voting Republican. They also lynched white people for this. After the Civil War during Reconstruction a lot of Republicans tried to get the black former-slaves to fit into Southern society, to have the rights, including voting and owning a gun, that other white Southerners had. Thus they got passed (had to be ratified by the States) the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments (the Reconstruction Amendments) in the U.S. But the Southern states were still controlled by former slave-economy Democrats who did not like the (Republican) Carpetbaggers and Scalawags from the North passing these laws, so within the states they passed all those Jim Crow laws to limit the freedoms of blacks. When "Selma" happened Martin Luther King was trying to get another Voting Rights Act passed (this one superseding all the discriminatory Jim Crow laws passed by the States) but the Democrats in the U.S. Congress (including LBJ) had been blocking it up to that time (for the simple reason that the blacks, for the most part, were going to vote Republican [because the local governments who harassed and beat blacks were Democrat-led.]) In the movie "Selma" MLK goes to see the President (LBJ) about the VRA, and Johnson says he's been very busy (because he claims he's the President of ALL the people) but says, as a distraction, "Have you seen our War on Poverty legislation?" The War on Poverty set up all the (cradle to grave) Welfare programs paying out money to people (a lot of women with single-parent families) who could not get jobs, etc., but addicting them to those welfare checks (and rendering unnecessary the man in the household.) And those poor people WERE poor because they could not get an education because their local Democrats prevented their schools from being equal in funding and teaching to white schools. So, even though the poverty rate had already been declining in the U.S. Johnson led the Democrats to do an about-face on "helping" the blacks (and becoming their "new best buddies") in order to get their inevitable votes (BUT were clever enough to keep them at the public trough so they were addicted and couldn't break away.) So, the War on Poverty legislation was passed August 1964 and the Voting Right Act was subsequently passed in May of 1965 (AFTER the blacks had been fully indoctrinated with the largely-Democratic sponsored War on Poverty program.) It was the classic bait and switch, masterfully carried out. Yes, the Democratic Party is, as advertised, "for the poor" but in order to hold sway over them (and keep their votes coming) they have to KEEP them poor. The usual (racist) attitude of the Democratic Party towards blacks is that they can't (ever) make it on their own (they will always need help) and they need to vote Democrat to keep the welfare and other freebees coming; whereas the Republican attitude toward them is that they CAN make it but are constantly discouraged and distracted (and addicted) by the Democrats who have their next "fix" waiting as long as they continue to vote Democrat.


Maverick


Magic




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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 30 17:23:05 2015 209.159.255.78) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd Fair point. *g*

lostinamerica A nap! Something that would be really good right now!



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lostinamerica says:
(Sun Aug 30 14:37:59 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--Don't forget the nap afterward, you'll need it :)


Shan--Welcome back!


Happy Belated Birthday Unadopted Angie and Lady Samantha!



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sun Aug 30 12:34:08 2015 209.159.220.127) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Sunday, August 40th, 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



jenpro
Samuri Cat
Xanderphile

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
jenpro, Samuri Cat, Xanderphile!



But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium? Fred, 'Release'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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wolfguard says:
(Sun Aug 30 04:01:07 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not believe that propensity is peculiar to a "white" race. I believe anyone that thinks so has not had a broad enough exposure to the world's cultures. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 30 03:06:49 2015 209.159.220.127) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Aug 30 03:11:46 2015
Maverick Geez, I wonder what the KKK has been about, banning parcheesi? Folks who claim racism doesn't exist don't acknowledge reality.

wolfguard It seems to have been a fetishization of the ideal female slave. Nude, white, in a vaguely exotic setting.

Grand Odelisque

Circassian or Georgian women were also supposedly the most beautiful.

the point is rise of the idea of white as a superior race category was influenced in part because of the idealization of women who looked a certain way.



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Maverick says:
(Sun Aug 30 01:51:24 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: White supremacy? Another Lefty fantasy to accuse conservatives of. In psychological parlance this is referred to as "projection." Look up the "White Man's Burden." Have you seen "Selma" yet? Some things it actually gets right. Like the portrayal of LBJ.


Tropical storm Erika fizzled out. Amid all the claims of Global Warming, guess when the last Major (Class 3) Hurricane hit the continental U.S.? How many years ago?
Maverick


Rainy Night in Georgia




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wolfguard says:
(Sun Aug 30 01:21:10 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I'd never heard of that before, but I've never read anything on ~white supremacy~.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sun Aug 30 00:40:05 2015 209.159.220.127) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sun Aug 30 02:55:27 2015
wolfguard I finally started reading'History of White People'. I lost interest by the time she got to the 1800s. *g*

One thing I learned and never noticed before was the influence of 'odaliaque' or a beautiful female slaves to the belief of white supremacy.



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Maverick says:
(Sat Aug 29 20:58:10 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe: You really surprise me not knowing why the Democrats do not have a larger stable of candidates. Everyone thought that Hillary was OWED the nomination because of her long-suffering support of Bill despite his dalliances (with Monica, etc.) The fix was in for Hillary for 2008 BUT Obama came out of nowhere and sealed the deal. Bill and Hillary even DID have a course of action AGAINST Obama (that would have stopped him--they were the first Birthers) but Hillary was, instead, PROMISED the first opportunity after Obama. Look here at the Drudge Report which links to many articles about the Democratic primary nomination. Look at the right side in articles such as: O'MALLEY: IT'S RIGGED; WAR AT DNC; DEBBIE SHELTERING HILLARY FROM DEBATE; DNC chair gives O'Malley death stare after scathing speech. Also down the left side there's an article on how Hillary has the nomination all locked up already: HILLARY 'ALREADY HAS THE VOTES'; and also: FBI 'A-team" leading probe into bathroom server; MAG: THE LAST DAYS; Could be waiting awhile on Biden answer; and Over million fake Twitter followers? Also, just new, at the top left: Will Biden Be Bluffed?


Shan: See old archived original Bronze posts (there's at least two weeks of them) as well as posts from TVJames' Ultimate TV Buffy Board (the forerunner of the WB's Bronze Posting Board) at Maverick's Home Page. Take the link below to "Nostalgia." You can also ready my fanfic there.


Who is Carl Frost? It's either Robert Frost or Carl Sandburg (but it's Robert Frost.)


"Foxcatcher" is indeed a weird movie. Steve Carell is totally unrecognizable. I really like "college wrestling" having participated in it in junior high. "Vision Quest" is also a good wrestling movie.


Maverick


Am I The Same Girl?




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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Aug 29 20:21:17 2015 216.164.173.90) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Aug 29 20:25:41 2015
Riduclous. Sany odens't have a website to just ord3er na d buy r epalcement parts.


wolfguard Never noticed before it was yellow



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 29 19:46:17 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Sat Aug 29 19:46:50 2015
DaddyCatALSO,

I've often heard people quote the first four lines of the poem.


Christopher Marlowe,

Another few lines from another poem by Carl Frost ...

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could...



Obligatory Buffy

BUFFY
(to self)
Angel or Spike?

(beat)

Decisively walks into the wild, away from the 'ruts' before her. *g*



WG



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Sat Aug 29 19:14:40 2015 216.164.173.90) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Christopher Marlowe My dad owned many porn novels, which eeh r ead and dispsoed of, like any other paperrback, witht he old newspapers. One called _Beyond the Kama Sutra_ acidentally palced ina pile fo books on my nother's nightstnad which were for soem reason never touched(th eonly other oen I recall was Michener's _The Source_.) So it was still there until years afetr he died.

It used the first 4 line s of that poem as a poetic introduction.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 29 18:51:52 2015 209.159.220.127) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard One of my most favorite poems!



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 29 17:49:29 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Shan,

Watched the video. Fairly conventional plot. *g*


Some say the world will end in fire,
Some say in ice.

From what I've tasted of desire
I hold with those who favor fire.

But if it had to perish twice,
I think I know enough of hate
To say that for destruction ice
Is also great
And would suffice.


- Carl Frost



WG



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Sat Aug 29 14:36:29 2015 209.159.220.127) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Saturday, August 29th, 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!


Fantasma
Horizon
Lady Samantha
singsinthecar

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Fantasma, Horizon, Lady Samantha, singsinthecar!



You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with until you understand who's in ruttin' command here.Jayne, 'The Train Job'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 29 13:47:00 2015 209.159.220.127) [Edit/Delete]
Good morning beta!



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Shan says:
(Sat Aug 29 09:57:08 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
In answer to the what makes a
Bronzer question, well I first
started on the WB board and came
across here as soon as it opened
when UPN got the show.

So, I guess I've been on one
incarnation of this board or
another since at least the late
90s, though I do occasionally
wander off for months to years at
a time.



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Shan says:
(Sat Aug 29 09:11:30 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
I'd like to recommend watching this. Only 8 minutes long, select English version of the website.

Is funny.

Article here:

A group of historians debates how the world ended

Direct link here:

Bureau of Prot Society

There's about a minute or so introductory credits to get past before the story starts.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 29 07:35:55 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Hi Dogmeat *g*


Yay Tmorel!


Belated Yay ShadowQuest!


Belated Yay Aramina!


Belated Yay Amish Boy!


Belated Yay stina!



Happy Birthday J August Richards!


Belated Happy Birthday HumVee!


Belated Happy Birthday Angle Man!


Belated Happy Birthday Polgara!


Belated Happy Birthday Marti Noxon!



Belated Deadguy Memorial Angel Wednesday Question


Excluding The First, which character (demonic or otherwise) was the most evil?

Angelus


Belated Deadguy Memorial Buffy Tuesday Question

What makes one a Bronzer? Are there requisites? Post on the original Bronze, attend a pbp or regional equivalent, to have watched BtVS reatime?

Anyone who conversed on the Bronze or Beta-Bronze often enough to have the site bookmarked. *g*



Good Night to All

WG



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Dogmeat says:
(Sat Aug 29 07:29:32 2015 72.226.63.228) [Edit/Delete]
hi



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 29 05:33:37 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

How would that work?

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 29 04:29:56 2015 209.159.231.31) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard At the very least, there should be party leadership development training.



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 29 02:26:47 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I have never given much thought to the histories behind how people
decide to run for their party's nomination in the postwar years (since
WWII). Now I may have to. *g*


Shan,

AtS was to conventional to move me as BtVS did. Diverse tastes. *g*

The musical is Once More With Feeling. The episode before it was
All the Way and the one after it, Tabula Rasa. It's in the
beginning of 6th season that we first see Tara's concern over Willow's
use of magick. It comes to a head in All the Way, leading to
Willow casting a spell causing Tara to forget the fight. In the musical
Tara discovers what Willow did, calls her on it at the beginning of
Tabula Rasa ... and then bad stuff happens. *g*


WG



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cmarlowe says:
(Sat Aug 29 02:08:28 2015 107.167.126.97) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard

lol!

Seriously. You would think the dems would have planned beyond obama!



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Shan says:
(Sat Aug 29 01:24:16 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
About the musical ...

Well, back in the day, Algerina
used to videotape the show for me
and post them to Australia from
the US (it was a standard feature
to have NTSC to PAL conversion on
our VCRs). I saw as far as the
episode just before the musical
before I got bored and stopped
(well it was Season 6). After
many months of no Buffy,
Australia was showing the same
episodes and the first episode I
watched on Australian TV was the
episode after. It literally fell
through the cracks of my losing
and then regaining interest in
the show. I think I did see every
episode from then on as it aired
on Australian TV but even though
I like them relatively more now,
Season 6 and 7 could be (and
still is) a real slog at times. I
think it's around that time Angel
surpassed it.

I guess there's nothing to have
stopped me catching up with it
now and yet ...



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wolfguard says:
(Sat Aug 29 00:12:20 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Possibly small pool of talent from which to draw. *g*

That's for posting and running. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 23:41:03 2015 209.159.231.31) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Fri Aug 28 23:43:13 2015
wolfguard Given the number of Candidates on the GOP/Democrats side, what did the Democrats do to have such thin candidate ranks?

ETA

offline for most of the night!



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 22:57:46 2015 209.159.231.31) [Edit/Delete]
Home!!1 for at least a little while!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 21:23:05 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
DaddyCatALSO,

From Shan's post ...

"...Recently completed my 5 or so year rewatch of Buffy/Angel (except
for the musical
- I really should watch that one day).
"

Emphasis added


WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Aug 28 21:13:31 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Comics
Question: Where would you find a character called Poopdeck Pappy?
Answer: Popeye

Trivia Cartoonists: DaddyCatALSO, OldManFan
Trivia Scribblers: MAverick



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Fri Aug 28 20:37:47 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl Thimble Theater/Popeye.

Shan Hey!

wolfguard Agent Cooper Why are you asking/downing Shan about OMWF? Saw no mention of it in his posts.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Fri Aug 28 19:04:14 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
Shan - Wait....wut?

*in my best Joe Dirt voice*

You come here, to a Buffy Forum - In fact THE Buffy Forum, having watched EVERY episode in the series, without ever having watched what is probably the highest rated and most loved episode in the entire series, maybe the best TV episode in history??

:-P



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Maverick says:
(Fri Aug 28 18:49:25 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: As a plank (fer walkin') in the last Democratic Party Platform. God was voted out and replaced by Poopdeck Pappy.


I have been watching DVD's of the new series "The Vikings" with Travis Femmel. Anyone remember him? He was the actor that played Tarzan in the 2003 TV Series, of which 2 episodes were written by our ~mere~ (Meredith Smith.) He was great as Tarzan and is now fabulous in "The Vikings." It's a very well-written and effective show.


Maverick


Expressway




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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 17:48:54 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Shan,

You have never seen the BtVS musical, Once More With Feeling?

WG



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Shan says:
(Fri Aug 28 17:12:04 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
All right I guess.

As you might have read, taking a
bit more interest in webcomics
for the time being. There's some
amazingly good work out there.

Recently completed my 5 or so
year rewatch of Buffy/Angel
(except for the musical - I
really should watch that one
day).

Also managed to get my hands on
at least some of the IDW comics
for post Angel. The Illyria ones
were exceptional (I might or
might not have mentioned those
the last time I was here but it
has been a while).



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 17:01:49 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Shan Hey! How have you been doing?



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OldManFan says:
(Fri Aug 28 14:56:47 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - I'm guessing Popeye (the Sailor Man).

OMF



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 14:50:40 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

Welcome back Shan


Would you win? Would you both win?

"Golden Balls"


You'll have to scroll down a bit to the video (I paged down 9 times to it)



WG



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Trivia Girl says:
(Fri Aug 28 14:49:53 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Comics
Question: Where would you find a character called Poopdeck Pappy?



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Shan says:
(Fri Aug 28 14:06:09 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
OK, well that was a surprise, I've been locked out for what seemed like positively ages.

Anyway, I've discovered the wonderful world of webcomics and I was wondering about everyone's (anyone's?) expert opinion on this sword and sorcery one I quite like.

I discovered it through a website called Bad Webcomics Wiki which actually seemed offended by its very existence but the examples of the art that they had seemed to be very good (it gets progressively better through each artist's run too), so I was curious enough to have a look and I thought the whole thing was great.

Started off by skewering the whole Conan type genre tropes and was very funny IMO (a lot of fourth wall breaking too) before moving onto some more serious issues (but not losing the humour). Some great characters that they developed quite nicely too. Wouldn't mind some more opinions on it if there's any forthcoming.

Exiern (Page 1)

and it's Dark Universe alternate version (It's worth at least reading the first chapter of the original before reading the alternate universe version).

Exiern Dark Reflections (Page 1)



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Shan says:
(Fri Aug 28 13:53:49 2015 1.42.10.238) [Edit/Delete]
Test



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Fri Aug 28 13:28:21 2015 209.159.231.31) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Friday, August 28, 2015 C.E.

We have NINE (9) Birthdays!



CJ
Faris
FIREHAWK
J August Richards as Charles Gunn
Kresnik
spikelover
Toni
Unadopted Angie
Zorander

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
CJ, Faris, Firehawk, J. August Richards, Kresnik, spikelover, Toni, Unadopted Angie, Zorander!



This is so nice. Having everyone together for my birthday. Of course, you could smash in all my toes with a hammer and it will still be the bestest Buffy Birthday Bash in a big long while.Buffy, 'A New Man'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 12:58:09 2015 209.159.231.31) [Edit/Delete]
yay tmorel!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!


lostinamerica That will be first on my bucket list, a day a the spa with a scrub like that!



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KAM says:
(Fri Aug 28 12:32:56 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY TMOREL

KAM
Ty King Fan



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lostinamerica says:
(Fri Aug 28 12:22:18 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
ChristopherMarlowe--If you think a massage is relaxing, find a spa that does a whole body scrub :)


ShadowQuest--Yes, when my oldest daughter had bunion surgery she had to basically sit on a couch with her foot up for a week--boooring :(

PT won't be fun either, because to me the theory behind PT is to work to the point of pain, then keep it there :(


Yay! TMorel!


Happy Belated Birthday Blade the Vampire Hunter
and Humvee!



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Fri Aug 28 11:24:24 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for tmorel!

yay tmorel!


Happy Thank Joss It's Friday Day!



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 05:32:17 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Vampire Prosecutor (Hulu)


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 03:47:38 2015 64.179.155.70) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Only the good shows
die young. *g*

I think Blood Ties was also good, but
short.

Where can I find Vampire Prosecutor?



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 03:25:58 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I believe it said 16 episodes. One season. Like a firefly. *g*

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 02:29:14 2015 64.179.155.70) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Ahhh. Moonlight. I
really miss that show. My kind of
Emo Vampire. *g*



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 01:02:35 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper,

Googled 'vampire detective tv'. Some of the results ...

Moonlight, Blade, Blood Ties, Forever Knight. The latter two were
both set in Toronto. Forever Knight aired from 92-96.

There was a Japanese anime tv series, Nightwalker and my favorite, a
Korean series, Vampire Prosecutor. *g*


WG



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 00:35:27 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Hope so.

CNN covered Trump's speech in South Carolina today, as well as the Q&A
afterwards. One of CNN's analysts, a conservative, said there was little to
analyze in Trump's answers, because he essentially didn't answer any
question. *g* Another journalist noted Trump, Ben Carson, and Ted Cruze had
between them just under 50% of the poll vote. Conclusion - a lot of
Republicans/conservatives are looking to outsiders.

Later on POTUS, a journalist said ~ It's a Trump world. The GOP just lives
in it. *g*


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Fri Aug 28 00:26:35 2015 64.179.155.70) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard I didn't notice any
problems, probably because I was
offline when it happened. It may be
just a random hiccup.



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wolfguard says:
(Fri Aug 28 00:01:14 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Awhile ago, the page did not load.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 27 23:39:29 2015 64.179.155.70) [Edit/Delete]
Finally home! Had a massage earlier and boy do I feel gooooood.



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Maverick says:
(Thu Aug 27 22:34:02 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
190 Retired Generals and Admirals sign letter opposing the Iran Nuclear Deal. Read the letter here and a list of those who signed.. Several of these are comnmanders that Obama purged because they indicated they wouldd refuse to attack American civilians.


Maverick


Vehicle




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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 27 20:51:50 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Presidents
Question: What US president kept beagles as pets?
Answer: Johnson

Trivia Top Dogs: OldManFan, Comma
Trivia Barkers: Maverick

OldManFan Alas, I will not make it to Dragoncon this year and I do miss it.

Doing the volunteer gig, then?



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Maverick says:
(Thu Aug 27 20:19:34 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Aug 27 20:30:46 2015
Trivia Girl: Bill Clinton? Oh, wait, that was Monica he held by the ears.


Christopher Marlowe: I saw you asked if "Race" would at some point in time in the future have no meaning. No, not as long as the Liberal/Progressives choose to use it to stoke racial animus and divide people. Compare Obama and Ben Carson's approach to race. Obama has used it to divide people and charge Republicans with racism. In every economic way Obama has been a major disappointment to the black community in that they have suffered MOST (look at THEIR unemployment rate) with his Economy and yet they still support him (because he makes it a racial thing.) He plays them like a fiddle. Also, Obama has the news media reporting all white cops on blacks shootings but ignoring all black on black, black on white killings. Lots of people (especially whites) believed the election of Obama would go a long way towards uniting the races, removing blacks's perceived lack of opportunity, but we are much further apart since Obama and Holder began stirring the racial pot.


Agent Cooper: You mean "Moonlight" with Alex O'Loughlin from "Hawaii Five-0" as Mick St. James and Jason Dohring (from "Veronica Mars") as the vampire chieftan. What knocked me over in that show was the appearance of Shannyn Sossamon as Coraline. Stunning.


Maverick


Wrapped Around Your Finger




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Agent Cooper says:
(Thu Aug 27 19:41:05 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
It's cool and cloudy here today. Almost like fall, which I enjoy. Good vampire weather! :-)

Does anybody remember that one vampire detective show, that tried so hard to rip off Angel? You know, where the vampire detective was supposed to be susceptible to sunlight - and yet always did everything during the day anyhow and it never bothered him a bit? My wife was kind of into that show back then, and I remember watching it once and there was this scene where Vampire Detective Guy has to get to his ride parked outside in the sun. SO he just grabs a notebook and jogs out to the card with it over his head, like a schoolboy in the rain. It was just so lame!



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ShadowQuest says:
(Thu Aug 27 19:40:35 2015 74.44.174.167) [Edit/Delete]
Thanks for the yays!

lostinamerica Surgery was last week Thursday. Next week Wednesday (the
second) I go in to get the stitches out & the cast put on. Going a little stir-
crazy. Gonna be bonkers by the end of the six weeks! And then PT...

Typing is slow - still can't use my right hand, so I have to watch where I'm
going. Argh.



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Aug 27 18:15:42 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe - in one week PA is heading for GA.

OMF
*dragoncon



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Comma says:
(Thu Aug 27 17:43:05 2015 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Aug 27 17:45:57 2015
Trivial Pursuit: I remember the famous lifting of the dog by the ears. LBJ, Lyndon B. Johnson, is the answer.

Comma



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 27 17:06:19 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
OldManFan How goes it in PA?



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OldManFan says:
(Thu Aug 27 15:20:12 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - LBJ.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 27 15:17:36 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

CAtegory: Presidents
Question: What US president kept beagles as pets?



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Trivia Girl says:
(Thu Aug 27 14:48:23 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
yay shadowquest!



Happy CD Thursday!


Trivia will be in 10 minutes!



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KAM says:
(Thu Aug 27 12:42:31 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY SHADOWQUEST

KAM
Ty King Fan



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Thu Aug 27 12:42:02 2015 209.159.219.215) [Edit/Delete]
Today is Thursday, August 27th , 2015 C.E.

We have FOUR (4) Birthdays!



Blade the Vampire Hunter
Freddy
HumVee
Jules the Elder

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
Blade the Vampire Hunter, Freddy, HumVee, Jules the Elder!



But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium? Fred, 'Release'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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lostinamerica says:
(Thu Aug 27 12:14:45 2015 69.247.134.78) [Edit/Delete]
Yay! Shadowquest! Hope you're feeling better, is the surgery today?



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YayOfTheDay says:
(Thu Aug 27 11:49:04 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
let's hear a great big bronze cheer for shadowquest!

yay shadowquest!



Happy CD Thursday!



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 27 03:03:24 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

The culture(s) of prosperity predates "The American Dream". The latter
encompasses at least two beliefs. First, anyone born in America can
become whatever they want to be through their own efforts.1
Second, each generation will do better than the one before it, i.e. our
kids will do better than their parents.

Prosperity, here meaning material prosperity, is about material well-
being. People can say 'money can't buy you happiness'2, but
anyone who does not have enough money to stay healthy is a person who is
likely unhappy. People had to conceive the idea that it was possible and
proper to create prosperity. And people had to learn the behaviors, both
as individuals and as groups, that created economies that could achieve
material prosperity.


1 Usually that's expressed as 'hard-work", but I believe
that's a phrase that's said with little thought as to what a person
actually has to do.

2 "Resources" is more accurate than money, but in complex
societies money is the tool used to exchange resources.


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 27 02:13:03 2015 209.159.219.78) [Edit/Delete]
wolfguard Yeah, Jesus and the
Moneylenders. I know Islam has a
specific proscription against that,
but I understand there are ways
around that.

Something akin to the American Dream
and how to acheive it?



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 27 01:47:36 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

Many pre-industrial societies frowned on merchants. One reason Jews got
into business in so many societies during medieval times was because
Christianity and Islam prohibited their folks from becoming involved in
finance, making loans and charging interest.

WG



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 27 01:29:54 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

By "culture of prosperity" I meant
a worldview which lent itself to
economic success. Some examples
would be valuing time, putting a
premium on education, saving, etc.

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 27 01:18:29 2015 209.159.219.78) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd I think there is,
but I think it has as much to do
with race, class as economic
status. Say, for example, the
Hamptons, a well-known enclave for
prosperous individuals. I think
there is a culture there.

I've also heard of 'old money' vs
'new money', noveau riche and all
that.



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wolfguard says:
(Thu Aug 27 01:12:01 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Christopher Marlowe,

I do not know if people will always use a concept of 'race' to
differentiate groups, but people will always use something to differentiate
groups.


Culture has long been one explanation for poverty. Most of those examples
I've seen or heard before. Recall "the culture of poverty" talk from the
60's? OTOH, for most of history peoples haven't had much, lived
close to the edge. What changed that way of life? Is there a culture of
prosperity?


WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 27 00:45:17 2015 209.159.219.78) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Thu Aug 27 00:48:13 2015
wolfguard A different
economic topic!

'Getting out of Poverty requires
more than financial literacy'

Born into a poor family in East Los Angeles, Louis managed to become the first Hispanic CFP in the US and pull himself out of poverty. After a successful
career, he returned to the barrio to live his passion of helping his community
transcend poverty. It turned out to be far more challenging than he ever
dreamed.

As Louis said in a talk, he discovered that, Most people in poverty are unaware
that their cultural beliefs hold them back. He described some of those beliefs,
which I would call money scripts. A few of them are:

A sense of fatalism, that this is just how things will be.

An assumption that working for someone else is the only option.

A group dynamic where anyone who reaches for too much success is pulled back
down into the communitys financial comfort zone.

A victim mentality of blaming and feeling powerless to change.

Relying for financial advice on the wealthiest or most successful person in the
neighborhood, without the knowledge to evaluate the validity of that advice.



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Thu Aug 27 00:01:23 2015 209.159.219.78) [Edit/Delete]
wolfgaurd Do you forsee at some point that race will truly have no meaning?



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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 26 23:58:51 2015 4.28.180.2) [Edit/Delete]
Hereabouts

WG



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 26 23:08:19 2015 209.159.219.78) [Edit/Delete]
Home!



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 26 21:11:09 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was Harmony's position on Angel?
Answer: Secretary/assistant/receptionist

Trivia Office Managers: notsoShyGirl, OldManFan
Trivia gofters: Maverick, Agent Cooper



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Comma says:
(Wed Aug 26 19:55:43 2015 75.129.170.85) [Edit/Delete]
First Christmas presents, ordered Saturday and Sunday, one shipment from CA, one from WA, and one from MT. I have no idea why the one from OZ isn't here yet?

Comma



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 26 19:36:51 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
Wolfguard, Ebdim9th: I've told you all a hundred times. It's turtles all the way down.



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Aug 26 19:18:59 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper Seriously, it's why I have a problem writing her in my fics, even though she's a main character. (In my primary 'verse she's married to Jonathan and in another to Wesley.) I just can't right stupid, and I also can't write street=smart so Faith presents a simila rproblem



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Maverick says:
(Wed Aug 26 19:04:31 2015 24.127.160.174) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: The Missionary Position (just guessing.)


Ebdim9th: The Universe was supposed to have started as a singularity (of which there is no center as it's just a single point with no dimensions.) It is believed to have begun as an expansion which is called "Inflation." Here is an explanation of Inflation and other similar things by Alan Guth, the original proponent of Inflation. BTW, Here's probably my favorite song. BTW, wasn't Russell Brand a jerk (I'm referring to the Katy Perry Cover Girl commercial that precedes this video, when I just watched it--you may get a different commercial.)


DaddyCatALSO: Psychology. Before all the trendy, useless majors like "Women's Studies," etc., girls went into Psychology, until they found out it was at least a somewhat disciplined science.


Ahhh, Conspiracy Theories. It seems many believe that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a Hoax perpetuated by those who are anti-Second Amendment activists (including Obama and Holder.) I haven't read enough about it to see what they are basing this on. I see where they're coming from, though, as "Fast and Furious" (the investigation of which Obama all but shut down when he claimed Executive Privilege) was certainly a put-up-job that was intended to spur more anti-gun legislation. It also got one of our Border Agents, Brian Terry, killed by one of the guns involved in the "Gunwalking."


Maverick


Baker Street




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wolfguard says:
(Wed Aug 26 18:52:22 2015 71.56.125.67) [Edit/Delete]
Drive-By

"if you're evil and you know it, clap your hand"

LOL!

Just noticed 'hand' is singular. Either I missed the 's' when I copied or Evil does koans. *g*



Ebdim9th,

As I read your post, picked out certain words and phrases. As I remember, only the elements hydrogen, helium, and perhaps lithium were created in the Big Bang. All the other elements were created inside stars. When a star goes nova those elements are dispersed into space. This is the process I associate with 'nucleosynthesis'.

"The Standard Model" was first created in the 70s as a way to organize what was known about subatomic particles. It's like an uber-white board. A CSI display for particle physics - but more thought out.

Here are two links, hope they work ...

The Standard Model (CERN)

Another take ...

The Standard Model (Physics)


I've not read either of the two above, chose the first for who created it, CERN, and the other because it looked professional. *g*


As to "quantum foam", I've only heard the phrase. Googled and grabbed the following link for later look.

"Quantum Foam" (Youtube)


One of the search results for 'quantum foam' mentioned general relativity and quantum mechanics in the same sentence. I do know something about these two's relationship - they don't seem to mix well.

Relativity deals with the fast and the big, while QM deals with the very small. There are four1 fundamental forces: gravitational, electro-magnetic, weak nuclear, and strong nuclear.

The EM and the two nuclear forces can/are explained using QM; however, there's no general accepted explanation tying QM with Gravity (which is explained, more or less, by Relativity). I believe the person(s) who find a way to unite relativity and QM into one theory will win Nobel prize and big very famous.

1 I believe the EM force and the weak nuclear force may be or can be explained as one force, but I don't enough about it to offer any details other than than to note it.



WG



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 26 18:12:47 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
daddycatalso - "Harmony's underlying general intelligence."

Heh...



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DaddyCatALSO says:
(Wed Aug 26 17:49:27 2015 199.127.148.10) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Aug 26 17:50:20 2015
Christopher Marlowe Agent Cooper Depends on harmony's underlying general intelligence and her ability to develop a knack for some business function.
Leads to an alternate question, about he r prospects if she had remained human. Other than as the wife of a man with a background & a future, what could she have done. She didn't seem to have the smarts for a career requiring higher education, and being a cosmetologist would be too much of a come-down socially.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 26 17:28:39 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
Chris Marlowe: I don't know. Harmony was never too bright or mature. Although she did seem to change a little over time.

She could maybe have slept and/or bitten her way to the top? :-)

Makes you wonder if Vampires gain any wisdom or maturity over time, or are they locked into the personality they possessed at the time they were turned?



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 26 16:52:09 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Agent Cooper I wonder if Harmony could have risen higher than secretary if W&H was still around.



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Agent Cooper says:
(Wed Aug 26 15:42:42 2015 199.168.151.161) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl: Well, at first she hated him because Spike did. But she warmed up to him when she moved to LA and started working for W&H.



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notsoShyGirl says:
(Wed Aug 26 15:17:03 2015 76.120.26.241) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl
Angel's personal secretary



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OldManFan says:
(Wed Aug 26 14:53:31 2015 204.180.133.131) [Edit/Delete]
Trivia Girl - Angel's secretary assistant.

OMF



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Trivia Girl says:
(Wed Aug 26 14:37:10 2015 205.141.67.16) [Edit/Delete]
Sunnydale's Trivial Pursuit

Category: Angel
Question: What was Harmony's position on Angel?



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Ebdim9th says:
(Wed Aug 26 14:21:27 2015 98.90.90.30) [Edit/Delete]
Edited: Wed Aug 26 14:36:57 2015
WG DaddyCatALSO Bulk and (mem)branes... the standard model and steady state, where does the multi-verse begin and end, if it's always been here expanding and contracting, the quantum foam with gluons and such producing stellar nucleosynthesis afterward and providing the nothingness with possibility of existence before, (something for the expanding universe to push into or against, or even from itself, and so far as everything I've read in the http://physics.about.com/od/astronomy/f/BigBang.htm articles that is what it's doing and has been doing since the beginning...) Of course the http://discovermagazine.com/2008/apr/25-3-theories-that-might-blow-up-the-big-bang article is, again, saying there might never have been a beginning at all, but rather than the 'genesis-like' big bang, then we have the great was, is and always will be strings of existence... Is time an illusion? It must be if it doesn't exist. But a point does have a center, self-contained at least, or it wouldn't be a point. Or maybe that's illusory too...

(and as you guys well know, discussions such as these require a whole lot more reading and study, not just the articles I listed above, but more I'm searching up now... confusing and conflicting... jeez)



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TheBirthdayGnomette says:
(Wed Aug 26 13:29:17 2015 209.159.255.187) [Edit/Delete]
-
Today is Wednesday, August 26th, 2015 C.E.

We have THREE (3) Birthdays!



e-may aka Cabin7Baby
Prowler
RafterBitten1 (Brynna)

Happy Birthday from the Bronze
to
e-may, Prowler, Rafterbitten1!



Fred: The size and depth of the wound indicate a female vampire. Harmony: Or gay! Fred: Umit doesn't really work like that. 'Harm's Way'

to be added to the birthday list, please email oldbdeyes@hotmail.com



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ChristopherMarlowe says:
(Wed Aug 26 12:55:14 2015 209.159.255.187) [Edit/Delete]
yay aramina!

deadguy qod

Jasmine! The Beast! the Senior Partners! Lilah! So many to choose from...

I like KAM's Clem answer too.



Happy non-Angel Wednesday!



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KAM says:
(Wed Aug 26 12:39:55 2015 173.161.108.1) [Edit/Delete]
Good Morning Everyone,

YAY ARAMINA

Deadguy QOD
: That kitten eating Clem.

KAM
Ty King Fan


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